Posted on 09/23/2008 7:35:40 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Let's see. Barack Obama's pastor, before he was thrown under the bus, was Jeremiah Wright who regular railed against America. A favorite priest of the Left is Father Pfleger, the highly politicized NUtcase who has no problems preaching politics from the pulpit. So now some DUmmie is OUTRAGED when he thinks his church is injecting politics into its sermons as you can see in this THREAD titled, "I dropped this note into the collection basket at my Mom's church today." So what does this title tell us? It tells us that it was his MOM's church which means this DUmmie was just tagging along looking for a confrontation. Since he mentioned same-sex marriage and planned parenthood in the note, this most likely means he interpreted some biblical reading about Sodom and Gomorrah or sanctity of life to be "political." We don't really know since this DUmmie never tells us what specifically was preached that so offended him. However, we are sure this is a typical chip-on-the-shoulder DUmmie going out of his way to look for a confrontation. So let us now watch the DUmmies hypocritically moan about politics in the pulpit in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, figuring it was the first time in his life that this DUmmie dropped anything into a church collection basket, is in the [brackets]:
I dropped this note into the collection basket at my Mom's church today
[First time you dropped anything into a church collection basket.]
"You do not have the right to make political statements during the Mass. A major tenet of the United States Constitution is separation of church and state, and you have crossed that clearly defined boundary of separation. Your tax-exempt status is at risk. The church does not have the right to tell parishoners how to vote, or even what criteria to use when voting. This is not the first time this has happened at (-name of church-) If this continues, you will be facing a lawsuit challenging your tax-exempt status. For now, we have decided to donate all the money we would have donated to (-name of church-) in the next 2 months to the No on 8 campaign, to reflect our support of same-sex marriage. After that, we will permanently donate all money that we would have donated to the Mission to Planned Parenthood instead. (-name of church-) will not get any of our money, ever again.
[Think this DUmmie would drop such a note into the collection basket of Rev. Wright's church? BTW, note that this DUmmie was short on the SPECIFICS of what was actually preached. Maybe the Sodom and Gommorah bit offended him.]
I liked it and I'm not even Catholic! Actually, I'm a Luciferian Satanist but there was somethinbg about the beauty of the language that always appealed.
[First Luciferian Satanist Coven or Second Luciferian Satanist Coven?]
Turn them into the IRS
[Chanted a member of the Obama Turbos.]
A note in the collection basket is a great idea. I hope others will follow suit at churches where this happens.
[Why don't you just drop Obama campaign material into church collection baskets so as to alienate the entire flock?]
AND then contact the IRS to complain about politicking in church and asking for an investigation. If enough people from a given church did this, the IRS might actually investigate and pull that tax-exempt status--especially if we win the presidency and larger majorities in both houses of Congress.
[Of course, leftwing churches such as the one Obama used to attend will get an exemption from this rule.]
Did they actually say to vote for mccain?
[A DUmmie asked the DUmmie author of this thread.]
The one old priest that was making political comments last February right before the presidential primary here in California was back again. I dropped a similar note in the basket last February. Then a few weeks ago he was there again. He prefaced his comments with "Now, I may get in trouble for this, but..." and there were a few scattered giggles. Then he started talking about the recent Saddleback thing where that pastor interviewed McCain and Obama separately. So maybe that "I may get in trouble" comment was a result of someone telling all the priests to not make political remarks, maybe not. I don't know and I have no way of knowing.
[Note how the question was NOT answered which really means: No, the priest did NOT say to vote for McCain.]
Oh brother, no wonder I have experienced several "crises of faith" ... I love Catholicism, but not what the existing patriarchal system has done to this beautiful faith.
[Sorry. Hippie communes of the '60s were never part of that faith.]
What, exactly, was said?
[You won't get a direct answer to that question from the note-dropping DUmmie.]
I'm just taking my Mom because she's 89 and can't make it there on my own.
[So the truth comes out from the note-dropping DUmmie. He was only at that church because he had to take his mother there. Once there, he had to let his inner loon out.]
I'm haven't been a Catholic since college, but sometimes take my elderly mother when my father is too sick to attend. I just tune it all out.
[That's what the note-dropping DUmmie did. He just tuned it all out except for a small portion that he could fantasize was political. In fact, no matter what was said in the pulpit would be interpreted as political by this DUmmie.]
But true, most Catholics who support choice - even if they themselves believe abortion is terrible and not just a "simple" choice - and believe that gays have a right to love who they love without being called horrible names or being targeted for harassment and murder.... most of the Catholics who believe these things are recovering Catholics in search of a place to belong.
[Try the Luciferian Satanist Coven.]
Don't forget to sue all the churches that teach the social gospel or liberation theology or invite Dems to speak etc
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
Thanks for the offer, but I don't believe in any religion. In fact I belive that God hates religion. I only take my 89-year-old Mom to church because she can't get there otherwise.
[So you weren't going to drop money in the first place. Instead you dropped a political note into the collection basket of a church you don't believe in.]
Put a McCain sign on the front lawn of the church, take a photo, and send it to the media and the IRS. That "evidence" added to enough complaints could have an effect. Probably not in time for this election, but for the future.
[Great idea. Falsely frame the church by planting fake evidence.]
For you to threaten the church's income, and rudely at that, reflects a great deal of intolerance on your part. No sensible lawyer is going to take up a case that's suing a church for attempting to politically persuade its congregation. Most people have the sense to leave if they don't like something. Churches rely on donations for sustainability, by threatening to take away their tax exemption its almost as if you're snubbing this particular church for freedom of speech, which is another major tenet of the United States Constitution.
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
Have any of these fools been to black churches where politics is the basis of everything they do?
Oh brother, no wonder I have experienced several "crises of faith" ... I love Catholicism, but not what the existing patriarchal system has done to this beautiful faith.Huh?
The Catholic Church has always been "patriarchal". That's why Nuns are Nuns and not Priests. And if he doesn't like this *new* (srac) patriarchal system, there's an Episcopalian Church a few blocks away that will welcome him.
But I see another DUmmy corrected him on thayt. Prolly a 'Lousy Freeper Troll'.
No offense to Episcopalians. My point is they have women 'Priests' (Reverends-Ministers).
I’m just giving the benefit of the doubt when we don’t have all the facts. Sure, it may well be a straw man. Either way, it’s a DU jerk trying to puff himself up and using religion to accomplish it.
Maybe here, but what about Canada?
What about Canada? The Church has to deal with whatever countries they're in. It's the Church's God-given duty to preach the Gospel of Salvation.
Ain't no doubt about that one.
Funny, when I brag, usually it's on my kids, or my wife's cooking. I don't generally brag on picking a fight with the preacher. Strange values system at DU.....
BTW, it's lasagna tonite for dinner, and my wife is an amazing cook. :-) Don't have enough time in the day today to expound on the brilliance of my kids. :-) :-)
It's a good thing you put the word in quotation marks above, sir.
Many seem to have the impression that the primitives are kids or teenagers or college students.....when in fact most primitives are on the verge of collecting social security retirement, if they aren't already getting social security disability.
The mother is 89 years old, so it's reasonable to assume this primitive is actually circa 50-69 years old, no spring chicken.
I hear ya. We had spaghetti last night. Tonight it’s leftovers since she’s closing her store. Only I’m the cook around here (mostly). I’m retired, the wife works, so...And tonight it’s leftovers since she’s closing her store.
And I’m not shabby at it, either. Only, I leave the baking and such to her. I just handle the meals.
I took a stab at calling him "kid" because of the use of the term "Mom". You used "mother", others I know my age (65) or thereabouts use Mother when speaking of their parents. Sometimes "Dad" or "Mom" might creep into a conversation but it's less likely in a written piece like this, IMO. That's why I took it as a hit piece.
Honestly, though, it's hard to ruin things in the crock pot...or on the grill. Mrs Wbill does all of the heavy lifting in the kitchen, I just give her a break every now and then.
And, since you mention it, I think that spaghetti tastes better left over. At least the sauce that I make (Grandma's recipe, cooks all day in the crock pot, makes the house smell sooooooo good) tastes better leftover, IMHO.
*** Hey, we'll have none of the smutty talk here. ***
:-) I said 'pingy' not 'thingy'.
An aside: My 'pingy problem' doesn't "Last More Than Four Hours", so on the upside I "Don't Have To Immediately See My Doctor".
(those *Electile Dysfunction* commercials are real smut, they make me wanna puke)
Now you’re getting me hungry :)
I learned to cook well due to my divorce from my first wife. I started with a bunch of my mother’s recipes I liked and went on from there.
We use the crock pot a lot, and the grill in season, but I do a lot on the stove/oven as well. We usually do things like spaghetti, casseroles, and such just before my wife works at night so there are leftovers for us on that night. She takes what she wants and all I have to do is reheat for myself.
Our son in in the restaurant business in Vegas so he’s very adept at cooking. He was home earlier this month for my 65th, so I had him do the grilling of the Iowa chops we served. He’s taught me some about proper food temperatures (things like thermometers tend to give overcooked ratings for meat).
Yes. Anyone who's cool is certainly Luciferian Satanist. Why we have three congregations in town. They do such good work. Human sacrafices and bile barfing....
It's getting to the point that it's cliche. "I'm gay! I worship Satan! I'm different!" eesh.
Like most DUmmies, he has crossed that clearly defined boundary of reality and fantasy.
Whew -- at least he's not a Rastafarian Nihilist...
True, DU's fundraising has been a bit shady on past occasions. But it was a legitimate donation site from a known company. The money goes directly to the organization, and the DUer just gets credit for raising the cash.
The church will not lose it 301C status for speaking about a ballot measure. The churches are not permitted to endorse partisan candidates. They are even allowed to endorse nonpartisan candidates.
Of course this issues is never brought up when some on the Dems side speaks at a church without the GOP candidate given the same opportunity.
There’s not much of a future in being a Luciferian Satanist.
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