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Posted on 07/12/2008 9:24:08 AM PDT by Raquel
I have previously requested a copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Janice Okubo, Public Information Office of the Communications office of the State of Hawaii, responding on July 3, has chosen to refuse to provide a copy of the birth certificate. This blog consists of three parts. First, I quote Ms. Okubo's letter, dated July 3, 2008, verbatim. Her letter responds to my inquiry under the Freedom of Information Act. Although Ms. Okubo points out that the Freedom of Information applies to the federal government and not the states, most states, including Hawaii, have similar statutes. With respect to birth certificates, though, there is a separate section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS) that Ms. Okubo cites, HRS § 338-18. The link that Ms. Okubo provides in her hard copy snail mail letter respecting § 338-18 was dead when I tried to use it, but I obtained a copy of HRS § 338-18 from the Lexis-Nexis data base available from New York University's Bobst library. In addition, I obtained information on Hawaii's Uniform Information Practices Act from the State of Hawaii Website. In the second part of this blog, I respond to Ms. Okubo by drafting two letters, one a response to Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health, Ms. Okubo's superior, with a copy to Ms. Okubo and Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI), and also a letter to Barack Obama requesting that he send me a letter authorizing me to represent him in obtaining a copy of his birth certificate in the interest of avoiding accusations of political gamesmanship and manipulation. In the third section I copy the relevant sections from § 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes for your reference. I also quote from the State of Hawaii Website about its "Uniform Information Law" booklet.
(Excerpt) Read more at mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com ...
The woman was there for at least half a decade, or maybe more.
I suspect she was recruited by the CIA to work under a USAID or USIA cover.
Many of our "native resources" found themselves exterminated or driven out of the country under Sukarno. This is in the immediate aftermath of Suharto's takeover. There was a fair amount of violence ~ something like half a million communists and Hindus were killed there.
So, not as naive as you might think.
You do not seem to realize that it is mostly idiots who vote. These are the people who are shown pictures of polar bears on icebergs and are convinced that Al Gore is a scientific authority. It seems to me that there is probably something on Obama's birth certificate (not necessarily on his certification of live birth, though maybe there too) that would fit well into a ten second sound bite and that even idiots could understand. He may well be a natural born citizen, but maybe his name wasn't what he says it is now and he would have to explain why he took on a Muslim sounding name; or maybe something else.
I'm not sure that "real issues" have been part of Presidential campaigns during my lifetime. (I was born in '46.) The best sound bites win now; and right now it's sad to say that the best sound bite is "change." It would be good to change that.
ML/NJ
Au contraire!
Try getting a passport without a BC!
Hawaii DOES NOT send out copies of the original birth certificate, or even a “late” birth certificate. The “Certification of Live Birth” is sent instead.
BTW, did you know that there are over 50,000 variations in US birth certificates?
If you never saw a Hawaiian COLB, or knew that it has to have the embossed seal of Hawaii — obe that you can feel with your fingers — and the signature block of Alvin T. Onaka on it — you have to know exactly what it looks like — AND a receipt from Hawaii confirming your order,
IT IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT.
Has McCain revealed his actual, paper birth certificate to America?
Hell, yes.
Has Obama revealed anything on paper?
Hell, no.
That’s the issue, my friend.
No Tickee
No Washee
TechDude and myself came to the same conclusion, but from different approaches.
Rather than call the State Department, or Hawaii, let’s call Las Vegas, because I’ll take all action on anyone claiming that these images are genuine copes of BHO’s birth record.
I’m an attorney. Trust me on this one.
***No thanks.
A news anchor friend has a very unpronounceable Korean last name, so her “TV” name drops two syllables from her legal name and very rhythmic sounding.
She has never filed any “assumed name” paperwork or changed her name legally in any way.
She has two passports, on in her legal last name, the other in her “TV name.” All she had to do to get the TV name passport was submit letters from her News Director and a local City Commissioner who is a lawyer and swore he had known her for more than 10 years. Took about a month and was easy.
No one claims they are COPIES of his birth record.
They are ABSTRACTS of his birth record. That is something entirely different.
They can look very different from year to year, as they are created NOW (on in the year of their issue), not when he was born.
I have 3 from New York State, all issued decades apart. All very different.
because I’ll take all action on anyone claiming that these images are genuine copes of BHO’s birth record.
***I submitted a suggestion yesterday to Intrade for a contract on this item. I haven’t heard from them yet.
With all due respect... MindBender26... Puleeze...
“No one claims they are COPIES of his birth record.”????
Are you crazy? Do a search on Google right now for obama and birth and certificate and you will see an ad come up from the Obama campaign and it says and I quote,”See the ORIGINAL birth certificate.”
Which makes them as stupid as we all think they are.
If someone does not understand what an abstract is, and thinks that all these unnamed document experts are making a decison based on only seeing an internet copy of the document, then they are a foolish as the Obama people.
GET OVER IT! HE IS A CITIZEN. IF HE WAS NOT, HILLARY WOULD HAVE USED THIS HAMMER MONTHS AGO.
He may be an U.S. citizen but that certificate he has tried to pass off as genuine is obviously bogus.
What experienced forensic document examiner has looked at the ORIGINAL document and pronounced a forgery?
Not a copy posted on the web, but the original.
Has even one?
The problem is, we want it to be a forgery too badly.
Birth certificates are NOT public record. The State of Hawaii has a responsibility to keep this private. It doesn’t matter if someone is running for an elected public office. Birth certificates contain personal information that is immune from a FOIA request. Obama must provide written authorization before they are permitted to release it. If he declines, so must they
State of Hawaii HRS 338-18: “HRS 338-18 Vital Statistics; State Public Health Statistics Act; Disclosure of Records? Allows disclosure of vital statistics of a person to his or her spouse.” http://hawaii.gov/lrb/rpts95/sol/solapb.html
Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver’s licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor’s benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs. http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
Excellent!
Now we need to push/goad/entice Rush, Sean and other conservative talk show hosts to start demanding authorized copies of Bambi’s certificate of birth.
This is a serious mystery/mess that can only be cleared up with legit copies of Bambi’s certificate of birth.
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Saul Alinski was an amateur!
“GET OVER IT! HE IS A CITIZEN. IF HE WAS NOT, HILLARY WOULD HAVE USED THIS HAMMER MONTHS AGO.”
Sadly, using caps does not make what you say anymore true. It only demonstrates a weak argument.
Fact: Obama has still not released his paper birth certificate which is why there still is no proof to this day to what you say. You can speculate all you wish about “Don’t you think by now, that this person, that person woulda, coulda, shoulda challenged this by now” but it remains nothing but pure speculation on your part.
The fact is that the Obama camp to this day continues to refuse requests to see the paper certificate they claim to have in their possession and will only show a picture of it. (By the way, a JPEG on the Internet is legally proof of nothing.)
This is not odd to you? Why not just show the paper to reporters since they have it in their possession? What’s the problem?
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