Posted on 06/22/2008 2:03:51 PM PDT by WilliamReading
ollowing up on previous posts in the past couple of days about Barack Obama’s “birth certificate,” here and here, I became more curious about Barack’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (known as “Ann”), and spent several hours reading about her. In particular, I was searching for information about the circumstances surrounding Barack’s birth.
It seems reasonable to ask at this point: Is it possible that Barack Obama, Ann’s son, was born someplace besides Honolulu?
Here’s a rough sketch of what I’ve pieced together so far based on information available on the Internet, but I could use some help filling in the blanks. Questions are presented at the end.
Spring/Summer 1960 – Ann Dunham, at the age of 17, moves with her parents from Mercer Island, Washington following her high school graduation, to Honolulu Hawaii, where her father, Stanley, has a new sales job in a furniture store.
Fall 1960– Ann starts classes at the Univ. of Hawaii’s East West Centre, a well known center of leftist thought, and shortly thereafter meets Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan student, in a Russian language class.
Oct/Nov. 1960– Barack Obama Jr. is conceived.
Dec. 1960/Jan. 1961– Ann, now 18 years old, and Obama announce to their families plans to marry. Both the Dunham and Obama parents are unhappy with the news. By this time Ann’s mother Madelyn Dunham has become a bank president in Honolulu.
Feb. 1961– Ann reportedly marries Obama Sr., but it’s unclear where this took place, who was present, and whether the marriage is documented.
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I think this is a waste of time. He has a legal birth certificate from hawaii. It’s not a fake. It’s real and legal.
Case closed.
If you have proof that the birth certificate is fake, lets see it. Otherwise, drop it. That’s my opinion.
Could it be that Obama is actually a commie bastard?
Well, Hawaii is the Southernmost state in the US. d;^)
Would be interesting to see the original birth certificate, not a laser printed copy.
We received confirmation from the Hawaii State Department of Health (HSDH) that:
1. Certified copies of birth certificates are NEVER sent electronically. Copies can be requested by qualified individuals in person, by mail, or on line; and the Vital Records (VR) office will MAIL the Certification of Live Birth within 4 to 6 weeks.
2. Certifications of Live Birth will ALWAYS include an embossed seal.
3. The Vital Records office will NEVER black out the certification number.
4. Hawaii has never used the term “African” to describe someone’s race on a birth certificate. “Negro” or “Black” are the appropriate terms, not “African”.
Thanks to our sharp readers, I’ve come up with a pretty interesting list of observations and questions so far. So, let’s review.
Say what ??????
Never ever used African to describe someone race?
Not even once?
And that is confirmed!
That unto itself is proof that a phony document is being used instead of the actual legal one.
BTW, I don't know the age of consent at that time.
“Natural-born” does not mean “born on territory of the U.S..” It means “a citizen at the time of birth.”
I think the question of whether Obama is a natural-born citizen is NOT settled. The “birth certificate” I’ve seen sure is fishy—starting with the use of “black” as the race of his father. No way, in 1961, would the word “black” have been used by anybody.
Ob ama either was born in one of the 50 states, or Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc thus making him a natural-citizen-at-birth, or he is not eligible to be POTUS as the Constitution reads right now , or rather AT THE TIME HE WAS BORN..
There seems to be only a FOUR day window between hisd actual birth and the date the certificate was filed in the registrars office..
Weekend, backlog, date of receipt of info etc could account for that ..
But is there no “long” form with the hospital, doctor, parents info, address, number of older siblings if any etc ???
I know states had those things then...what about Hawaii ????
It seems to me the only thing you have is the dubious race designation. Someone blacked out a number and made an electronic copy, so what?
Before the age of computers, records were lost all the time. When you get right down to it, we have to take his word and his relative’s word for it. It’s not always possible to prove when and where you were born.
I have seen authentic Birth Certificates from Hawaii, and they ALL have an embossed Seal countersigned by a signature of the County Clerk.
This obviously doesn’t have that. On the face of the certificate is a notice that Any Alterations Invalidate This Certificate.
The Certificate number has been scratched out (if it ever existed). By definition, the “Certificate” is invalid.
Hawaii has never used the term “African” to describe someone’s race on a birth certificate. “Negro” or “Black” are the appropriate terms, not “African”.
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But Obama Senior was AFRICAN so that would be correct..
I find it interesting that his mother was 17 years old when Obama was conceived, and that it appears she could not have been legally married (bigamy issue). Statutory rape? Illegitimacy?
So if the upcoming debates devolve into name-calling, does this give McCain a certain legitimacy that Obama lacks? Ooops - my bad. Just saying it’s an arrow in McCain’s quiver if the mud gets thrown into this birth arena. The general is just getting started.
This matters not a bit to me, I’d never let my vote be influenced by “sins of the fathers” stuff, but I suspect it would matter to a lot of voters. Best to not go there, better to drop this whole background issue UNLESS the left tries to attack McCain’s birth in Panama or get otherwise personally dirty. Then it has to be fight fire with fire time.
Are you kidding me? What makes you think someone actually permanently blacked out the original? Just because an electronic copy is missing some things and has a black rectangle on it MEANS NOTHING.
You aren’t looking at the real birth certificate, therefore you can’t play inspector clouseau with it.
The only thing that I find slightly curious is that no one is asking the state of hawaii to verify barak’s electronic copy...or for barak to produce the original that barak(presumeably) made the copy from. Or maybe they have, I don’t watch tv much or read the newspapers. It would seem to me that barak would like to have hawaii do that for him to end these rumors.
Well, not exactly correct. African is not an actual race. But it would explain a plausible mistake by whoever typed the certificate. I don’t see it as a big deal. Just an innocent little flub by some typist somewhere in hawaii.
If anyone thinks that this would make any fargin difference in this countrie's politics or who runs or who gets elected has had their head up their ass for far too long. JMHO
FMCDH(BITS)
Do two things:
Send Hawaii a copy of the internet certificate and ask them if it is real and legal.
If they won’t respond, black out the names and ask if this is a legal template for a birth certificate.
Couldn't listen to the whole shpeel because of it. B.O. is a complete phony.
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