Posted on 06/20/2008 9:46:23 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
It was actually just a miscommunication that caused all this. The Nazis requested a supply of Zyklon *D* (D for disinfectant), not Zyklon B. The procurement guy miread der Fuhrer's handwriting.
One little mistake...
Those were only Hitler’s little jokes. Just like the apologists for the guy in think he really doesn’t mean it.
When is Buchanan going to take off his mask and admit that he thinks the extermination of the Jews was (and is) a good idea.
One little mistake...
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See! My mother always said that handwriting WAS important!
The Nazis always wanted to exterminate the Jews, they were just waiting for the right time. It is a measure of their hatred that they would waste precious resources on the holocaust rather than on defending the fatherland.
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You are right, the Nazi’s always hated the jews, it just took Hitler to get them to power they needed to carry out their plan.
In my opinion he already has. I'm not Jewish, but I find this type of behavior despicable in general. The fact that Buchanan claims that he is a man of God makes it even worse. He needs to find a nice hole to crawl in and disappear.
Oops - I meant “apologists for the guy in Iran”
Patrick, like usual, is throwing out some red herrring argument. I think most intelligent people know that an invasion of the US by Germany would be as likely possible as winning the lottery. Still it was on his mind - papers were found by OSS intelligence that showed Hitler made an offer to Mexico to give them the old Texas territory back if they helped conquer the US. But it doesn't matter what Hitler intended to do against the US. He was de facto at war with American interests already through the sinking of American merchant shipping and the insertion of German spies on US soil.
“That Hitler was a rabid anti-Semite is undeniable. “Mein Kampf” is saturated in anti-Semitism. The Nuremberg Laws confirm it. But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust.”
PJB is either really bloody stupid or a lying Jew hater. The oppression against the Jews began with the breaking of store windows and restiction of their civil rights. Those things happened 6 years before the invasion of Poland. PJB uses the same blood libel argument of those that suggest American Jewish boycott of German products in the 30s lead to the Holocaust. His logic amounts to Hitler thinking “Damn those Britis for declaring war…how do I get them back…I know, let's exterminate the Jews. That'll show ‘em”.
“The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.”
Gawd. No war no Holocaust? Everytime Hitler swallowed up some little nation, simply because he could, that was war. PJB really is a fraking idiot. Him and Scarborough belong together. Both are knuckle dragging bullshit spewing individuals that pretend every once in awhile to be conservatives.
Um, no. My great-aunt was murdered in a ditch outside of Rovno, Ukraine, in November 1941 along with about 17,500 other local Jews who were rounded up by the Nazis. I think that a month before Pearl Harbor, the Nazis felt pretty good about their chance for victory.
In the lead-up to WWI:
June 28, 1914: Archduke Ferdinand assassinated in Sarajevo.
July 5: Kaiser Wilhelm II promised German support for Austria against Serbia.
July 28: Austria declared war on Serbia.
July 29: Austria invaded Serbia. Russia began to mobilize armed forces.
August 1: Germany declared war on Russia.
August 2: Germany invaded Luxembourg.
August 3: Germany declared war on France, implemented Schlieffen Plan.
August 4: Germany declared war on Belgium and invaded, according to Schlieffen Plan for defeating France. This violated Germany's neutrality treaty with Belgium.
August 4: As a result, Britain declared war on Germany.
Imho, the argument that the German Kaiser did not want war is bogus, and has been disproved by serious historians.
Of course, the simplified time-line above does not show behind-the-scenes maneuvering. But it does clearly prove that:
a) Germany FIRST backed Austria's unprovoked declaration of war against Serbia.
b) Germany FIRST declared war on Russia, and then on France, then invaded both, plus violating Belgium's neutrality, while NONE had yet declared war on Germany.
So, imho, the argument that Germany was not responsible for WWI is pure political poppycock.
Unfortunately, we had an Anglophile pedant for President who believe that every people had a right to "national self-determination", by gunpoint if necessary.
Kaiser Wilhelm was a great man, especially when compared with David Lloyd George or Nicholas Romanov.
Are you aware of the Zimmermann telegram urging Mexico to ally with Germany and invade the US in exchange for Germany's help in restoring to Mexico territory it lost to the US during the Mexican War? Once this was made public and Germany resumed its unrestricted submarine warfare in the North Atlantic, US intervention was inevitable.
“If the US had remained outside, the war might have ended by negotiation.”
This is pure speculation, with little evidence to support it. The British were in no mood to negotiate, and the Germans were busy preparing for a final, and ultimately disastrous, set of forays on the Western Front.
Pat said or wrote something so terrible six or so years ago and since then he is dead to me. It is instructive that conservatives shun those who go off the deep end. Liberals name them to leadership roles in Congress...
“... we could have given more thought as to what was going on and what we could do about it.”
Germany declared war on the US four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. What do you think would have been a more appropriate response by the US(after “more thought” of course).
I don’t understand. If the Holocaust didn’t begin until two years after Britain & Germany were at war, what’s wrong with saying it wasn’t the reason for Britain entering WWII?
I’m speechless.
“... European world order would have been preserved, ...”
On Germany’s terms, of course, much like “order” in Central and Eastern Europe was “preserved” on the Soviet Union’s terms for 45 years.
I was talking about the extermination of the Jews. Certainly we could have been more aware of what was going on.
I don't know what we could have done. Could we have destroyed the rail approaches to Auschwitz? Issued an ultimatum? Supported efforts like Raoul Wallenberg's?
Maybe we should just have concentrated on winning the war, and maybe this was just one part of all the killing, but the fact that genocide was such a low priority doesn't look good sixty years on.
As I said, I don’t support all of Buchanan’s ideas (especially his conclusions) but some of his facts are indisputable.
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