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Socialism; say Yes or No
May 9 2008 | Bowtie52

Posted on 05/13/2008 6:48:52 AM PDT by Bowtie52

The time has come for America to make a choice. The arch enemy of Socialism is Individual Rights. The 08 election has become a referendum that will determine which path America will take. As the primary issues are presented IE immigration, economy or the wars that are currently taking place, everyone wants to discuss the stance each candidate will take. The media will parse the words and regurgitate them in light of “how” the candidate has either voted or expressed himself on related issues. They might draw a line indicating that on “XYZ” issue the candidate is conservative or liberal but that’s as far as it goes. At no time are issues framed to reflect candidate’s response to individual rights VS communal rights. This is THE primary issue and the pabulum the media spews avoids even the words that describe it.

The government is not in place to guard “our” rights as Americans. Either we guard them or they go away as the government wants to absorb them more than “We the People” seem to. The First Amendment, the Right to Free Speech has been challenged to the point of mockery by Atheist groups, advocates for same sex marriage and flag burners etc. While judges occupy their time and energy with such nonsense, the Christian’s rights, as well as other groups have become severely curtailed. IE; High School students are told what they can and can’t say in a graduating address. Homeowners associations are busy telling us what is and isn’t permissible to do with OUR homes, which of OUR trees can and can’t be cut etc. The Federal and State confiscatory tax burden has become oppressive and been used to fund a social engineering agenda. In essence, the “right” to be an antonymous individual is becoming less and less valid. Every aspect of life has become controlled by some presiding authority. This election is THE tool our forefathers left us to reverse the trend.

This is not the Nation we inherited from our parent’s generation and it should not be the legacy we leave to our kids. The enemies of Freedom are everywhere. Their job is to usurp individual rights. To date, we, the Baby Boomers, have allowed it. How much further will we go with it? The antithesis of Socialism IS Individual rights. This includes the right to be left alone, unobserved, unburdened and independent. As we select a candidate in the 08 election, the choice is clear; the unbridled imposition of the nanny State or reclaiming our individual rights. How this takes place starts with the willingness to fight for what we believe as our forefathers were willing to do.


TOPICS: Government; History; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: communism; history; individualrights; socialism; soros2008; tax; wakeup
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To: Rick.Donaldson

That’s why I said “Study carefully...”

Ignorance may be the REASON but it is not a good excuse.

It is a curious phenomenon to me that so many people will spend more time researching the contents of a breakfast cereals they are going to buy than they do the limits and restrictions on the property and mortgage of a half-million dollar house they are about to purchase.

The last time I re-financed my mortgage (dropped the APR by 2%) I drove the lender CRAZY with my demands that certain clauses and statements be eliminated or revised in the final documents. Their FIRST response to such request is “that’s the way it HAS to be done because we always do it that way”. After a little brow-beating (and threats of backing out of the deal) they will finally admit that you CAN customize even the most “standard” mortgage agreements.

Caveat Emptor, I always say. If you won’t take care of yourself, why should you expect anyone else to do it for you, right?


21 posted on 05/13/2008 7:40:10 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: Bowtie52

This is not the Nation we inherited from our parent’s generation....

And more to the point...Why the hell are so many people trying to change it to socialism? If you want socialism move to Canada or Europe! There are way to many Americans who will not accept socialism. It will not work unless both parties stamp out individual freedoms, then it’s another civil war......


22 posted on 05/13/2008 7:42:00 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Publius Valerius

Then you should move back to the country. Or build a privacy fence.

His property is HIS property.


23 posted on 05/13/2008 7:42:16 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: WayneS

HOA’s may be a pain in the A$$ but it is not the crux of the problem. One can’t pick their own nose without being on a govt. camera somewhere. Even traffic is enforced by camera! Face it, an authority is present everywhere and we are either content to live this way or we’re not!


24 posted on 05/13/2008 7:44:28 AM PDT by Bowtie52 (To the point)
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To: WayneS

Sure it’s his property. But he agreed to honor the HOA when he moved in. That’s part of the deal.

By the way, fences are verboten under our HOA. They are tacky.


25 posted on 05/13/2008 7:44:49 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I respect your right to vote for and support the candidate of your choice. However I can’t vote for a conservative in the group that is currently being fauned over by the leftist media.

I will vote for a conservative however. Too bad it won’t be a republican.


26 posted on 05/13/2008 7:54:30 AM PDT by tueffelhunden
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To: Rick.Donaldson
We have a choice as free Americans to NOT take what is handed to us, or shoved down our throats.
EXACTLY! Vote for a Third Party presidential candidate instead and conservatives on the local, state and federal level. They are our firewall.

It’s time to vote for what semblance of conservatism we have LEFT and force the new President to move as far right as we can force him to go.
HOW? If he won't listen to us when he needs our vote, why should he listen to us when he's in power?

Put someone in office who MIGHT be a liberal but certainly isn’t a Socialist.
Boy, THAT will really solve the problem and send a nasty wake-up call to the GOP.

Kick CAIR out of this country.
Tell the ACLU to clam up.
Stop the schools from teaching political correctness.

How? How? How? Those "who MIGHT be a liberal but certainly isn’t a Socialist" have yet to raise a finger against them.

Don’t give up, don’t give in to all the nay-sayers and don’t be a nay-sayer yourself.
Sorry, I've gone over to the Dark Side -- I have had enough of these Democrat-Lites.

Let’s get this in high gear, put a “Republican” (even if he IS a RINO), . . .
Sounds more like First or Reverse.

Stop your damned BITCHING and get to work LOCALLY like the rest of us are doing, pushing for conservatives in Congress and other offices.
First good advice I've read - been doing that for years and have developed a solid feeling of how the German rear guard out of Stalingrad felt.

27 posted on 05/13/2008 7:57:59 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
I never thought I’d say this, but I’m going to vote for McCain.

Me too ans, like you, I'll fight him if he is doing something I disagree with. Sorry President Barak Hussien is not for me, nor should it be for any FREEDOM LOVING PERSON!!

28 posted on 05/13/2008 7:59:07 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
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To: Oatka
Let’s get this in high gear, put a “Republican” (even if he IS a RINO), . . . Sounds more like First or Reverse.

Ok, so what are you going to vote 3rd Party and put the SOCIALIST in?? I'm sorry, but I won't help Barak Hussien get elected. He is more DANGEROUS to our freedoms than McCain is.

29 posted on 05/13/2008 8:02:04 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
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To: Bowtie52
What an outstanding piece! Thank you for writing and posting.
It is heartening to know someone has the clarity to see where we are!
I've simply been refreshing to see what type of responses you would receive and I am now rather ill.

What do the Communists want you to believe is inevitable Communism or socialism?
If you study Marx' Communist Manifesto you will find that in essence Marx said the proletarian revolution would establish the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat. To achieve the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat, three things would have to be accomplished:
(I) The elimination of all right to private property;
(2) The dissolution of the familv unit; and
(3) Destruction of what Marx referred to as the "opiate of the people," religion.

Marx went on to state that when the dictatorship of the proletariat had accomplished these three things throughout the world, and after some undetermined length of time ..... the all powerful state' would miraculously wither away and state socialism would give way to Communism.

But first, all Communists must work to establish SOCIALISM. The drive to establish SOCIALISM, not Communism, is at the core of everything the Communists and the Insiders do.

Marx and all of his successors in the Communist movement have ordered their followers to work on building SOCIALISM.

Harvard socialist Dr. Arthur Schlesinger has said:
"The chief liberal gains in the past generally remain on the statute books when the conservatives recover power liberalism grows constantly more liberal, and by the same token, conservatism grows constantly less conservative…"

Walter Trohan, columnist emeritus for the Chicago Tribune and one of America's outstanding political commentators, has accurately noted:
"It is a known fact that the policies of the government today, whether Republican or Democratic, are closer to the 1932 platform of the Communist Party than they are to either of their own party platforms in that critical year. More than 100 years ago, in 1848 to be exact, Karl Marx promulgated his program for the socialized state in the Communist Manifesto…"

And Mr. Trohan has also been led to believe that the trend is inevitable:
(The last two sentences have been corrected to portray the 2008 election, not the election results of 1968 which these were written about in 1971.)
Conservatives should be realistic enough to recognize that this country is going deeper into socialism and will see expansion of federal power, whether Republicans or Democrats are in power. The only comfort they may have is that the pace will be slower under Richard M. Nixon John Sydney McCain than it might have been under Hubert H. Humphrey Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama…
Conservatives are going to have to recognize that the Nixon McCain Administration will embrace most of the socialism of the Democratic administrations, while professing to improve it…

You can read all these fascinating quotes and more analysis here!



30 posted on 05/13/2008 8:02:13 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
I need ten acres and a nice, clear kill zone....

Hell YEAH!

Of course I need more than ten acres. I want at least 200 yards for my KZ.

31 posted on 05/13/2008 8:19:22 AM PDT by Havok (MOLON LABE!!!!)
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To: Bowtie52
McCain, Obama, and Clinton. All Anti-Rights.

The Amerikan Idle generation doesn't care either.

32 posted on 05/13/2008 8:25:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Bowtie52

You have the options presented incorrectly. The real choice is between MarxismX2 or Socialism.


33 posted on 05/13/2008 8:30:40 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: WayneS
The time to set aside the politicians’ (judges included) interpretations of our beloved Constitution, and invoke our rights under the “Declaration of Independence” may be near.

I agree, and that's what I was getting about in my post. Short of standing here saying it's time for a new revolution in this country, there are still openings left.

No matter what these sissy-pants defeatists say like the one that told me "to keep telling yourself that".... I'm not saying to vote for socialism. I am saying to vote for McCain. He's NOT a socialist. He might be alot of things, but my own research on him doesn't show that he's a socialist. I think I can read for myself what he has done and what he likely won't do.

Anyone who sits there and acts all defeated is either Liberal hiding on this site and making these remarks to help to disenchant the rest of the Conservatives here, or he what we call an "agent provocateur". I think they are the latter, and there are several of them here.

I do NOT like McCain. But I like Clinton a hell of a lot less, and I don't want to see a racist jackass like Obama get in the office of the President.

You're correct though, I don't think people quite get it. My main issue here is we as a public have been presented with three bad choices, that is those that are left. Shortly we will have two, Obama and McCain, and there are people pushing that we don't vote for McCain.

My ISSUE with this is, what kind of idiot says "We're not voting for anyone" so the dumbass socialist can WIN????? Only a leftist PLANT would say something like that, or people who are so pissed their own candidates dropped out and they are just being completely evil about.

Right now folks, we have TWO CHOICES, assuming the "Superdelegates" don't put Clinton in.... Obama and McCain. If you DON'T vote for McCain, you'll be by default voting for Obama. This is a Liberal tactic. People need to wake the HELL up and start thinking clearly again.
34 posted on 05/13/2008 8:58:02 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: EagleandLiberty

“Ok, so what are you going to vote 3rd Party and put the SOCIALIST in?? I’m sorry, but I won’t help Barak Hussien get elected. He is more DANGEROUS to our freedoms than McCain is.”

How can you tell? See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2015218/posts
for McCain’s latest.


35 posted on 05/13/2008 8:59:55 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: tueffelhunden
I respect your right to vote for and support the candidate of your choice. However I can’t vote for a conservative in the group that is currently being fauned over by the leftist media.

I will vote for a conservative however. Too bad it won’t be a republican.


So you're gonna vote... what? Ron Paul? I'd write in Thompson if I knew it would do any good, and he's the guy I supported before he was even a candidate. I'd still support him, but he isn't running.

I chose to vote for McCain (and you can CHECK my posts in the past AGAINST HIM!) because the CHOICE is him or Obama at this point. If you're claiming you're going to vote for Obama, and you're claiming he's a conservative, then there is something wrong with you. If you're planning on writing someone in, then there's also something wrong, because a write in most of the states won't be counted. Period.
36 posted on 05/13/2008 9:05:21 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I can’t really argue with anything you’ve said. I wish I could, but reality is what it is.

JSM may not be a Socialist but he’s no conservative, either. The three remaining choices are basically left, lefter and leftest.

It will be very difficult to stomach, but if (and WHEN is a far more likely event) BHO is the Dem candidate then I will hold my nose and vote for McInsane. Then I’ll go home and obsessive/compulsively wash my hands until I think the stink is off them.


37 posted on 05/13/2008 9:06:37 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: Oatka
EXACTLY! Vote for a Third Party presidential candidate instead and conservatives on the local, state and federal level. They are our firewall.

Well, you do have that option as well. However, I take it you weren't around for the Clinton/Bush/Periot debacle and you haven't learned from history that voting for a third party does NOTHING to help America.

HOW? If he won't listen to us when he needs our vote, why should he listen to us when he's in power?

How? By working on LOCAL elections, and Senate/Congressional seats. Good grief. Local POLITICS and the fights there are absolutely more important than the Presidential election. Don't believe me? Look at the deadlock we have had for some time now in Congress. Democrats preventing the President from doing anything, and so forth. America wants it that way, so we control the House and Senate next. Boy, THAT will really solve the problem and send a nasty wake-up call to the GOP.

Yes, at least it is a solution of SOME sort. I don't see you or any of the other naysayers offering ANYTHING other than "I won't vote for McCain". Until you have another solution I suggest all of you STFU and stop telling the rest of us what to do for a change or berating us because we're at least thinking this through. Vote or don't vote, but don't tell ME how to vote.

Sorry, I've gone over to the Dark Side -- I have had enough of these Democrat-Lites.

What precisely is the "dark side"? How about you let us all in on the secret if its so good? Because you don't have a CLUE do you?

First good advice I've read - been doing that for years and have developed a solid feeling of how the German rear guard out of Stalingrad felt.

This is advice I've been giving, and doing for YEARS, long before some of the people here ever entered into politics. Too many people think that the way to go is to let the country fold, even I thought that for a time. Let the dems get in office and screw it up. Nope, I fought too long and hard for my country and I won't stop now because I'm tired of it. Neither should anyone else. The Liberals won't stop pushing socialism down our throats until we fight back and kick their asses. It's time to do that. But NOT voting for McCain gives them a win. Voting a third party will give them a win, staying HOME gives them a win. NOTHING will give them a loss at this point except to pick the "lesser of two evils" and fight that one every step of the way. You're not getting a third party candidate that is a conservative to run, so don't believe that hype, and sure as hell don't think Ron Paul is getting in office. He's kooky too.
38 posted on 05/13/2008 9:15:29 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: WayneS

I never said McCain was a conservative, and one of the reasons I DON’T want to vote for him is that very thing. My candidates dropped out, Thompson and Hunter. We’re left with crap on our shoes and a stench in the air, and we need to kick off the shoes, wipe our hands and keep Obama out of the White House. Right now, a 3rd party isn’t going to do that.

As an ASIDE I will point out that Ron Paul and his loonie toons are planning a march on DC around June time frame. Some of the people marching, I know, and some of them are otherwise very smart people, but they are crazed over this right now, and are planning to demand a lot of things. I’m hearing and seeing there are people planning on marching with weapons and threats.

Perhaps that might be the right thing to do, but I don’t think the country needs that NOW of all times. We need to stand together against those in the world that are already against us and show a face to the rest of the world that we can handle internal problems without becoming a third world nation, battling on the streets. I think some of the Ron Paul kooks WELCOME the destruction of the US because they want to remake it somehow.

Perhaps they are right, perhaps we should start over.... but... I don’t see it as time, and I’ve fought for this country. So have some of these guys, but I think it will turn nasty if they get their way.


39 posted on 05/13/2008 9:20:41 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Havok

haha. I figure if they get within a couple hundred yards I can take them out anyway. But, if you need more then they might be using air cover and it’s all over anyway. lol


40 posted on 05/13/2008 9:21:52 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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