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Obama Fails, And Admits Indirectly To Not Being Honest
Strata-Sphere ^ | March 18, 2008

Posted on 03/18/2008 12:35:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s speech is out at Drudge and reading it I find it lacking. Maybe in person it was not so bad, but most of us won’t be listening to it or seeing it. Most of will have to simply read it. The first problem is the history lesson on this great and imperfect nation. Obama comes of sounding like he is the only one on a journey to perfect the union, to move beyond the divisions and hate:

"This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign – to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together – unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction – towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren."

Sadly, this is not what we got from listening to Obama’s pastor, Rev Wright. Furthermore, we are all trying to do this - not just Obama. What is telling is Obama admits he was not truthful when he claimed not to know about Wright:

"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

It is a little late to finally admit the truth - sort of. The fact is this should have been followed up with a statement about how Obama was wrong in trying to shove this mess under the rug through lies and denial. In fact, Obama tries to defend the dark side of Wright with some leftover good characteristics:

"But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS."

You can read this and include George Bush, or Billy Graham, or many others. The difference is with these people there is no anti-American hate, no racial hate. Even Hamas is known to do good deeds. These acts cannot be traded for hate or crimes or divisiveness. Obama has a tin ear - we are done with the racists and the hyper-partisans. We don’t want them to be associated with us as Americans. You can be good in the beginning and turn bad in the end. There is no excuse - but Obama tries to say there are excuses and mitigating circumstances. As long as someone helps one person they are free to rail against others? Not likely.

Obama failed and now his campaign is going to limp through a terrible summer. And there will be anger from some small areas of the African-American community at his downfall. Obama tried to equate Wright as a symbol of the black community. I know a lot of blacks who would not agree.

My children live in a wonderfully colorblind world were friends are friends. I too don’t even notice the race or ethnic background of people I meet. I could care less how deep or shallow the tan is. Rev. Wright is the kind of person who will destroy this wonderful world my kids and I live in because he injects hate and distrust and race. He is a relic of an America long since gone which should never come back. And Obama doesn’t get it. We won’t go back to Wright’s world. Which means we cannot follow Obama, because his baggage is too high a price to pay.

BTW, the answer was actually simple. Here is what Obama should have said: “Wright is wrong, dead wrong. I am still trying to convert him to the modern world. Unless he joins us in the modern world there is no place for his lingering hate. We have the seeds of a new world in the younger generations, they are moving away from racism and there is were we will find hope. I should not have tried to pretend I was unaware of his problems, that was wrong and I ask forgiveness of America. He is a friend I am still working on”. It is not all that complicated.


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Good points!
1 posted on 03/18/2008 12:35:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
we're tired of obama's excuses

2 posted on 03/18/2008 12:37:38 PM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here is what Obama should have said: “Wright is wrong, dead wrong. I am still trying to convert him to the modern world.
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there’s one problem even with this answer. he’s still exposing his kids to this garbage


3 posted on 03/18/2008 12:39:14 PM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy."

So much so that you contributed $22,500 to Reverend Wright's church in 2006 so that he could continue to spew out his racist and America-hating venom?

Sorry, Obama, I'm not buying the demagoguery.

4 posted on 03/18/2008 12:39:39 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms

My favorite line from the entire speech. Parsed like a true Harvard Lawyer.

Since "white folks" aren't an ethnic group, he's exactly right.

5 posted on 03/18/2008 12:41:54 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama sat there in church for twenty years, listening with his kids to a preacher vilifying his country, white people in general, and the state of Israel, and lacked the moral gumption to leave. I think the halo has slipped.

He is weak, childlike and confused.

6 posted on 03/18/2008 12:42:28 PM PDT by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: Polybius
Read this article from April 2007. The story was out there, but no one seemed to pick up on it besides, Hannity and a few others. The International Herald Tribune is a subsidiary of the NYT. Read the whole article, it contains more details than Hannity has revealed.

Barack Obama's Search for Faith

7 posted on 03/18/2008 12:46:31 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: roses of sharon

On the contary. He is very cunning.


8 posted on 03/18/2008 12:48:26 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms

My favorite line from the entire speech. Parsed like a true Harvard Lawyer. Since "white folks" aren't an ethnic group, he's exactly right.


"I never said I hated Zulus. I said I hated n*****s."

9 posted on 03/18/2008 12:51:40 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two points strike me regarding Obama’s speech that indicate he is not an acceptable candidate for President.
1. His impression of his minister is, if not dishonest; is willful blindness. Pastor Wright is a hate filled, racist, traitor. An ex-marine who clearly hates America, and thinks America deserved 9-11? A man who loves others is also an anti-Semite who considers Judaism a “gutter faith”? Let us be very clear, any friend of Louis Farrakhan is a racist and Pastor Wright is his friend. A Church that reaches out to the poor and the sick by blaming white Americans and re-creating a racial divide? As president would Obama be equally blind to terrorist threats, because he just wants to get along with all people and the US deserves what it gets?
2. His attempt to be inclusive does not include me, or anyone else who has been successful. When he attacks “the real culprits of the middle class squeeze — a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed;” he is attacking corporations and everyone invested in corporations. His punishment is clearly to tax our success away to give more to the less successful. Working hard, in Obama’s vision is not as important as making bad decisions for which you can blame others.

So, his speech does very little to absolve him or separate him from ugliness of his religious faith as it is represented by his Pastor. If anything it binds him closer to those hate. His goal if elected is to bind those particular grievances.
I am not included in his list of people whose grievances need reparations—yet I will be one of the taxpayers expected to pay for his excesses. His format, contrary to his spin does not include all Americans because it does not include me. IF he is elected, he will be the cause of my resentment which will, in fact must in Obama’s understanding of human nature, be expressed as hate filled actions to others.
Obama will be the source not the solution to the racial divide in this nation.

10 posted on 03/18/2008 12:57:20 PM PDT by c in clayton
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To: JaneNC
I have to respectfully disagree.

He is not cunning, for he knows he could not get away with all these lies for 4 years running, without the MSM protecting him.

This stuff is easy for Dems, even easier for a liberal black man.

11 posted on 03/18/2008 1:21:08 PM PDT by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems that Obama has learned more from Rev. Wright than he cares to admit.

The undercurrent in Obama’s speech supports much of what Wright has been preaching.


12 posted on 03/18/2008 1:27:24 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, today he contradicted what he told Major Garrett on Fox last week. Now he’s saying he “was” present and heard Wright make derogatory and divisive remarks in person. That’s in direction conflict with what he said previously. Since he so easily changes his statements to suit the occasion, how can anyone believe anything he says.


13 posted on 03/18/2008 1:28:28 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: ari-freedom
there’s one problem even with this answer. he’s still exposing his kids to this garbage

There is no way Obama can justify this, except to admit he believes the same as the Rev.

He sat in that church 20 years.
There are too many tapes of the Rev's rants.

Any sensible person who disagreed vehemently with the Rev would leave the church. Apparently, Oprah did.

Obama chose to stay. And chose to subject his family to that kind of teaching/preaching.

Even early in his campaign, his advisors clued him that the Rev might be a problem, so the Rev was pulled from the Obama-for-President line of speakers. [The excuse now given is that it was too cold that day.]
14 posted on 03/18/2008 1:32:59 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: mass55th
today he contradicted what he told Major Garrett on Fox last week

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive.

Obama has managed to get tangled in his own webbing.
15 posted on 03/18/2008 1:37:03 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

What galls me is his use of all the American flags behind him. He who would not wear one or salute one.


16 posted on 03/18/2008 1:39:18 PM PDT by patj
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To: patj
Yes.

I made a comment about the flags and posted screencaps in the live thread.

Posts in the Live Thread: 142 and 457
17 posted on 03/18/2008 1:49:05 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here is a point. I am a Vet and as far as I know there were never any bomber assembly lines for Obama’s grandmother to work on at Fort Leavenworth. Can anyone help me out on this?
18 posted on 03/18/2008 2:52:11 PM PDT by EZ4You2Say
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To: EZ4You2Say

Bear in mind that many auxiliary sites built parts and pieces which were assembled elsewhere... I have no idea bout Leavenworth, though.


19 posted on 03/19/2008 9:58:59 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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