Posted on 10/05/2007 11:12:39 AM PDT by AuntB
A new, two nation poll from Zogby International shows that a large majority of Mexicans believes the southwest U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico, and that they should be free to enter the U.S. without obtaining U.S. permission.
The largest majority in the poll, however, was found among the 68 percent of Americans who support use of the military to guard the border. The survey was conducted in the U.S. and in Mexico in May.
The poll was conducted for Americans for Immigration Control, Inc. "While most Americans want immigration reduced, most Mexicans think they don't even need permission to enter our country. This poll clearly shows there is less common ground for immigration negotiations between Mexico and the U.S. than leaders think. Support for a porous border and a loose migration policy occurs only on the Mexican side, not in the U.S." said Robert Goldsborough, AIC president.
The survey found a wide majority, 65 percent, of Americans oppose amnesty for illegal aliens, and a large majority, 58 percent, agree that the U.S. should "admit fewer immigrants each year."
“Poll shows Mexicans believe they own U.S. Southwest, should
be free to enter U.S.”
Only a DUMB gringo would pay for a poll like this.
All you have to do is go into the kitchens/washrooms of a lot of restaurants
of most cities in what like to think is still “The USA”.
Heck, they’d probably tell you to get out of their country.
Because we know, everywhere there’s a Mexican, there’s Mexico.
Chilling!!!
This is a push poll.
The language of the supporters of illegal aliens is taking increasingly a tone of the Twilight Zone, "1984," and "Brave New World." Undocumented workers for illegal aliens. Humanitarian organization for those helping these criminals break our laws.
Montgomery County (MD) Executive Isiah "Ike" Leggett (Democrat) is using the term "enlightened" for those providing services to illegal aliens instead of cracking down on them - at taxpayers expense, of course. ("Leggett touts aid by county to illegal," The Washington Times, B1, Oct. 5, 2007)
(See how fast they retgurn it to the Eskimo......after awhile....someday...after they've laid the pipelines and drilled the moose...maybe.)
Mexico "owned" the US south west for what?
Twenty two years before "..In 1853, mostly vacant desert territory containing parts of present-day Arizona and New Mexico were sold to the United States."
Which only proves that people don't take care of things that someone else gave to them.
I look very anglo (I'm mostly Welch and Irish) and I never speak spanish to Mexicans, and you would not believe how revealing it is to hear what they say when they don't think you understand them.
Having told you this, I want you to understand that the real villians are Americans. Greedy business people, opportunistic politicians, and leftists who see the illegals as a weapon against our way of life are collaborators in a very real war.
We focus however on the illegals, and I constantly hear people talking about violent reprisals against a bunch of desperate peasants fleeing a degenerate, corrupt, filthy cesspool of a country. I understand their frustration, but it frustrates me sometimes to know that the real criminals are on this side of the border living the good life, wearing American flags on their lapels, and there's never talk about reprisals against them.
The blood that will flow in our streets over this someday will (I fear) unfortunately not be that of American politicians, American judges, American media demagogues, and American fat-cats who inflicted this mess so insouciantly upon us.
We screech and howl because Mexico is Mexico, but little if anything is to be heard about America no longer being America.
I'm sick to death from reading people bellow into the ether about machine guns and minefields to kill poor Mexicans, yet the Governor of New York...well never mind.
We can use all the prayers we can get.
I absolutely agree with you. It is too bad the illegals are so willing to be the weapon.
I have a great deal of frustration over the fact that people in this country (very evident by posts on FreeRepublic) are so focused on the illegals.
If and when we as a people decide to "break out the Winchesters," I hope it isn't a racist pogrom. Our real enemies are pink-cheeked bastards, living in high dollar homes in our own "gated communities."
They are the reason for all of this.
The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the "Aztlan" fairy tales. What's the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The "conquistadores" (that means "conquerors") did it with the lance, and the lash.
For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the "lost cities of gold." One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest--not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the "new bronze race of Mestizos" toro-mierda.
By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn government of Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.
For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.
Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these provinces subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a "Mexican!"
So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.
Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.
And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole, (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are now supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some "historical claim" of a right to live there?
From where does this absurd idea spring?
At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn't happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.
In summary, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!
NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of, NOT ONE.
They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.
It's time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.
Illegal aliens are also the villains and very dangerous ones. They cause tremendous damage on many levels, from the environment to WOT. Another thread here reported that more Americans have been killed by illegal aliens than in Iraq.
In our area MS-13 and other gangs, including Asian gangs, are involved in violent home invasions. Illegal aliens repeatedly commit horrific sex attacks on children. The extremely violent Russian Mafia is established in New York and other places and few seemed to care. Let's not forget the terrorists infiltrating our country, both as illegal aliens and legal immigrants.
The greatest threat to this country comes from within. Our borders have to be protected by any means, illegal aliens have to be deported - and that can be done, and we have to be far more selective regarding the immigrants we allow into this country.
We already have too many people, causing traffic jams and in other ways damage the quality of our life. Our historic and scenic areas are destroyed for tacky housing developments.
The choice who gets to enter this country should be up to us, not the riffraff from other countries who feel entitled not only to trespass but demand amnesty and other special privileges.
Really sad, if true.
Absolutely.
Who gives a rat’s ass what Mexicans think? I sure don’t.
And I think there are millions upon millions just like me....
I got into a discussion with an Hispanic woman who appeared to be incensed when I told her that “Aztlan” was a crock. I reminded her that this “secession” garbage had already been tried in 1861. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now for the same reasons.
You might add most Latin countries....bottom feeders for sure. When you hear Spanish spoken you can be pretty assured that there is no discussion of string theory or quantum mechanics...probably only where the next burrito is going to be purchased and consumed...never once heard Spanish and wondered what was being said....
Yes...by people who don't give a damn about this country.
many of the early spanish-speaking people were spanish, not mexican.
mexicans on the american side of the border were few
until the u.s. calvary arrived in the southwest
because the apaches were killing mexicans.
si.
most of the indigenous mexican americans arrived in the early 20th c—
they crossed the border in droves during the mexican revolution to escape murder and chaos.
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