RAMADAN & Anniversary of Charles Martel's victory against Moslems

WorldNetDaily ^ | oct 10 2006 | mj anderson

[mj anderson]

Historians calculate that the Umayyad Caliphate – that met its match at the Battle of Tours – was the mightiest military power on earth in the year 732. That the defeat occurred during Ramadan, the Islamic holy days, still rankles many Muslims. ...A Muslim website devoted to the restoration of the Caliphate, or Islamic empire, features a recollection of the Battle of Tours for this week of Ramadan,

"Clearly Allah (swt) has blessed the believers with many victories in the past in the blessed month of Ramadhan…The conquests deeper into France were continued..."

[mj anderson]

Cyber chatter recalling crucial battles of 1,300 years ago has grown with the recent declassification of al-Qaida documents, including those recovered after the June 2006 air strike that killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. That document indicates that al-Qaida senses its failures are compounding, that they are losing ground against the U.S. and allied forces in the War on Terror.

[Rummyfan]

Battle of Tours, 732. Is there a modern-day Charles Martel to save France and Europe?

Also this from the article:

Niall Ferguson, an Oxford trained historian, notes that his predecessor of 1794, historian Edward Gibbon, author of "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" observed that had Charles Martel lost the Battle of Tours, minarets would some day loom over Oxford University. Ferguson laments that the prediction will, oddly, come true. The opening of a massive Saudi financed Islamic Studies center will open in Oxford in 2007. Its minaret is 108 feet high.

Outrageous!

[Rummyfan]

muslims should be told new more new mosques or 'islamic centers' until churches can be built in Saudi Arabia! This one-way street arrangement has got to be stopped!

[mj anderson]

This is what Pope Benedict said at his meeting with Islamic leaders last month, "You must honor reciprocity, permit Christians to build churches in your nations." (I think it fell on deaf ears..we'll see what transpires whe B16 goes to Turkey next month)

[CIDKauf]

Good post! Interesting history that pretty much says the jihad will never stop as long as muslim leaders/clerics believe they are living this long history some 1500 to 2000 years long, rather than reason with the world in a time that peace on earth is much more important than long religious history? (duck)

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Years ago I had to take a 3 credit course on the history of the Catholic church. It was a Catholic university, I had no choice. In it a lot of the course dealt with the Moorish occupation of Spain, the Inquisition and we spent a good amount of time on Charles Martel who was painted by the Jesuit preist as having saved Christianity for the West.

This was nearly 15 years ago.

At the time I never gave it much thought since I didn't even want to be taking the course. As the first Gulf War came to pass and in the interceding years I've really come to realize this might actually be the most pivotal battle in the history of the West.

I had that re-enforced a couple of years ago when I started debating "mainstream" Muslims about the duplicity and lies in their faith. When I brought up how the Caliphate was stopped dead in its tracks in southern France and sung the praises of Charles Martel I got a reaction from these Muslims that can only be akin to someone showing up on FR singing the praises of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama himself.

You ever want to stop a Muslim dead in his tracks and turn him into a rabid dog who loses his composure in a "civilized" discussion bring up Martel and this battle.

The name and topic alone drives them bat guano.

[CIDKauf]

So next question is: "What about the modern day Khilafah?"

[T.L.Sink]

The much maligned Spanish Inquisition deserves praise for its liberation of Spain from the Moors after Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille united Spain.

This began in the 1490's and such infamous figures as Torquemada,in this respect, did something historically important.

[mj anderson]

Yep...he has that same painting in his header--is he a Freeper? He ought to weigh in here.

[mj anderson]

Well, must say I'm relieved to hear that the Jesuits managed to to keep to the facts--they have been leaning left of late (as in last 30 years or so). But some Jesuits are incredible--on Islam, see ignatiusinsight.com and scroll to James V Schall's articles.

Your priest was right--without Martel, then Charlemagne, Europe would have have its fanny in the air 5 times per day.

And if they don't get up some gumption soon, they may yet.

[mj anderson]

Yes! The Inquisition has taken a bum rap in recent years. Few understand that Spain had determined that only Catholics could hold higher office in the gov. as one method of preventing the undermining of the State. When numbers of Moors and Jews converted only to hold office and thus to change the laws and operation of the nation, the state held inquisitions--and so did the Catholic Church. The Church was far more lenient than the state--since the state took such false conversions for the purpose of political advancement as a subversive action.

Also, the Church had cause to do its own investigation to DEFEND people who had charges of heresy brought against them as reprisal from personal ennemies. The Church only wannted such serious charges to be reserved for actual heretics--and those were few. The Chruch declared no cleric could have anything to do with bloodshed, nor could they question a professing Jewish or Muslim citizen, only those who professed Christianity but were in truth not converted but pretending to have done so.

This all seems very severe to modern ears, but we must keep the context: Spain had been dominated by Moslems for 700 years and its desire to rid itself completely of the Moorish intrigue was made manifest in the creation of a Catholic state. Presumably, agnostics and atheisits were no threat. But as you note, they did something historically important--liberate Spain. As it is, isn't Spain the only country that has come back from Moslem domination?

All the same, Spain was the safest country of all at the time for religious practice, passing a sentence of death on heretics at an average of four per year between 1551-1600, while in Protestant nations far more went to the stake or gallows as sect battled sect. Later it did escalate tragically .(See HW Crocker 's Triumph, pp228-9)