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It Depends on the Definition of "Need" (Are men attracted to needy women?)
Yahoo discussion group ^ | 6-30-06 | Dear Margo Column

Posted on 07/04/2006 7:39:31 AM PDT by Enterprise

"?DEAR MARGO: I am a 38-year-old successful female who is emotionally and financially secure. I have been told that I am very attractive and intimidate men. I would like to get married but am thought to be too independent"

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To: Enterprise

I suspect Ms. Independent and "Margo" are going to be unmarried for a long time.

Why get married if all you're going to be is a pet?


221 posted on 07/05/2006 9:59:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: Jim Noble
I agree with you, believe me. I am using "lesser achieving" in the sense of a career, as viewed by Ms Independent, and not AT ALL in reference to motherhood. God bless our mothers, and God bless the young mothers who take on a vital part of all of our lives.
222 posted on 07/05/2006 10:21:00 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Perdogg

Poor alpha women. Can't get along with alpha males, can't get along with gamma males. Life sucks.


223 posted on 07/05/2006 10:33:17 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Little Ray
"Why get married if all you're going to be is a pet?}

I want to be a pet. Arf arf arf!!!

224 posted on 07/05/2006 10:39:50 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise

Yes, but why get married?


225 posted on 07/05/2006 11:47:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: Little Ray

Why get married? Well, you got me on that one. I dunno.


226 posted on 07/05/2006 12:09:38 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise
Has your husband been happily married for 17 years?

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Exactly what I was thinking.

227 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:29 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666
Dear balrog666 and Enterprise:

I am Mr. Marajade, and my wife told me that I have to tell you that I have been happily married for 16 years. Oh, 17 years dear? OK, I meant 17 years.

228 posted on 07/05/2006 2:37:52 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: wizardoz
It may not be as simple as "marry any man who'll have you."

It's not "marry any man who'll have you" -- it's "please try not to set unrealistic criteria about what a guy has to be before you'll even speak to him". Which is how so many never-married middle-aged women got to be that way.

People post pics of supermodels here, but most guys have some grounding in reality as far as their actual prospects with supermodels (unless you're very wealthy or are a hot movie star yourself)

229 posted on 07/05/2006 7:01:34 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Define "unrealistic criteria." I'm not challenging you, I'm truly curious.


230 posted on 07/05/2006 7:08:34 PM PDT by wizardoz ("Let them eat Hamas." - Luke Skyfreeper)
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To: Jim Noble
Babes like this one use projection to infer that, just as they get excited thinking about a man who is successful, that because THEY are successful, men should be attracted to THEM.

It's the fatal misconception about "equality". For decades, women have had it drilled into them that men and women are the same except for minor physical differences. This leads them into the fatal miscalculation that men think the same way they do.

Women are sttracted to high-status powerful males. For a woman, there is evolutionary benefit in picking somebody who will be able to provide for and protect you and your kids.

Men are attracted to healthy, fit women in their prime child-bearing years. There is evolutionary advantage in planting your seed in a fertile location. There is advantage in having kids by a woman who is fit enough to be able to raise them without you if need be

231 posted on 07/05/2006 7:13:13 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor; Enterprise
Well, this is going to get me blasted from all sides, but I just have to weigh in. Like this woman, I'm well-educated, reasonably attractive, and about the same age. I too have come to the conclusion that there is probably no man out there for me. I hope I'm wrong, but my experience thus far has been that men just don't give as much as they take.

Nowdays it seems like most men want a woman who brings in money enough to pay for "her half" of everything, but I've never found a man who wants to do "his half" of the housework. When it comes to money, they're all modern men. But after a day of both partners working, when nighttime comes and there's dishes and laundry and cleaning... gosh, they're just too darn tired.

They don't mind me exhausting myself to make life comfy for them, they like being mothered. But let me fall behind financially and they are quite put out at having to pick up the slack, even if it's only temporary. And time and again I've just come to feel "I take care of you but you don't take care of me." So I'm on my own, and I'm kind of sad about it sometimes, but ... I just can't do that anymore.

232 posted on 07/05/2006 7:25:03 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: wizardoz
Define "unrealistic criteria"

I'll give you an example. Many years ago I worked for a small consulting company. The secretary/office-manager was a gorgeous woman in her late 20's. She had decided she was going to may a successful business owner. Nothing less would satisfy her. She had no interest in going out with somebody who was not wealthy.

Many years later I ran into her again. She was 40, still single, and bitter.

What I mean by realistic criteria is to be sure that the set of people who you are interested in, actually contains a significant number of guys who are actually interested in YOU

Guys get their "reality adjustment" fairly early in the game, because they are the ones that are supposed to take the initiative. If you ask out women who are way out of your league, you get immediate feedback real fast.

Women, on the other hand, can persist in the delusion that "Prince Charming is out there", and not allow reality to penetrate that for every real "Prince Charming", there's lots of women competing for him

233 posted on 07/05/2006 7:27:27 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I'm in a traditional marriage. I make all the money, she does all the housework, we both deal with homeschooling the kids. It works out

A woman who delivers what a man wants, in sufficient degree to have him want to go out of his way to keep her happy, will get what she wants. The trick is to find a man that wants what she can deliver.

234 posted on 07/05/2006 7:44:32 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I think I'm just too nice and end up feeling taken advantage of. Since I don't know any other way to be, I suppose I'll just have to go it alone. But I'm glad you have a good arrangement.


235 posted on 07/05/2006 9:37:26 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I drove school bus for three years, my dad made me learn to drive a stick, I can butcher and can food and cook, I've rewired the phone systems for two houses, taken a toilet off, replaced the seal, and snaked the drain, then put it back together. I can change the oil in my car, or a flat tire, at one point I knew how to gap the plugs. I work full time and go to college full time. I have a huge dog, a ferret, and I don't like cats. I'm pretty good with a Glock .23.Know any late forty something year olds, that would be interested? LOL!


236 posted on 07/05/2006 11:30:22 PM PDT by BruceysMom (.I'm hot & not in a good way, menopause ain't for sissies.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
"Nowdays it seems like most men want a woman who brings in money enough to pay for "her half" of everything, but I've never found a man who wants to do "his half" of the housework. When it comes to money, they're all modern men. But after a day of both partners working, when nighttime comes and there's dishes and laundry and cleaning... gosh, they're just too darn tired."

Well we were perfectly happy living in caves until the old ladies started yelling at us to throw out the stegosaurus bones. It's never been the same since.

237 posted on 07/05/2006 11:47:07 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: BruceysMom
It's the Glock thingy. See my current wife has a wicked temper, but being raised in the PRM, she doesn't know the difference between a Glock and a cuckoo clock, so the most dangerous thing she can wield is her sharpened tongue; so far I've survived that. If she knew the difference between an automatic and a revolver, I don't think I'd be here today.

I do remember one time, for whatever reason, she wanted to argue about some (what seemed to me) trivial thing. I agreed, she was right, I was wrong, pointed conceded. That wasn't good enough for her, she persisted. Her eyes were burning red, orange light was glowing from around the holes where her hair came out of her head. She beat ineffectively on my chest with her tiny little fists, spurtering out, "What do you say to that! What do you say to that!" Having already conceded point, match and game, what more could I say? I placed my hands gently on her shoulders, looked deeply into her eyes and spoke, "Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day; Thou art more temperate and more fair..." In a stunning comeback, game to Lonesome! Of course, if she knew how to handle firearms, I wouldn't be here to tell you this story. (Alternatively, if she knew how to handle firearms, I might have been more careful about the kind of scraps that I got into in the first place...)

238 posted on 07/06/2006 3:05:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: A_perfect_lady
I think I'm just too nice and end up feeling taken advantage of.

It all comes down to communication. You have to speak up and say "I'm doing A, B, and C around here. What I want from you in exchange is X, Y, and Z". He'll come back with "Well, you're not taking into account that Im doing #, ##, and ###", you come back with "I'd rather have X, Y, and Z", and around it goes.

It will wind up with you getting what you want, or him moving out. Or maybe you discovering that you could be doing something different in order to make keeping you happy valuable enough to him.

239 posted on 07/06/2006 5:51:16 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Alternatively, if she knew how to handle firearms, I might have been more careful about the kind of scraps that I got into in the first place...

In all seriousness, if you have any doubt about her using a weapon in a domestic argument, it's time to leave

From your account, it seems like she was angry about something else that she wasn't comfortable articulating, rather than the "official" subject of the argument

240 posted on 07/06/2006 5:58:01 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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