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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

For quite some time, 20 years at least, conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists have been frustrated with political reality in America. The ‘Republican revolution’ of 1994 bore small fruit, that establishment Republicans let wither and die on the vine. In the place of promises of smaller government, fiscal responsibility and stronger defense of our liberties and sovereignty, the Republicans have given us what the Democrats wanted to give us: bigger government, larger debts, and big-brother government with fading liberty and sovereignty.

The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists. There’s not a whole lot of difference is there? What we have running our country are a bunch of power hungry one-worlders who basically chose up sides to play their game and are only concerned with their team (political party) being in control. Either way we get the same raw deal.

Not since the 1850s has the political environment been so ripe for the emergence of another political party onto the national scene in a manner that will allow it to ‘play with the big boys.’ Back then, it was the newly formed Republican Party that came on the scene and eventually eclipsed and killed the Whig Party. If a political party, whether it were to be a newly formed party or one of the current third parties, was to make the right move, it could dominate the right, become a defender of the Constitution, and truly get into the game with the ‘big boys.’

The Democratic Party has sold its soul to socialism and every leftist special interest or perversion known. The Republican Party is tearing itself apart due to the left-leaning elites that control the party, ignoring its conservative base. A new conservative party could pull in the disaffected voters who’ve given up on our political system, and also draw in conservatives hopelessly clinging to the Republican Party. The remaining liberal Republicans would simply fold themselves into the Democratic Party, where there hearts really reside already.

According to a recent Scott Rasmussen’s survey, a third party candidate could easily take a third of the votes in a national election if they made preventing illegal immigration and enforcing our immigration laws their key issues. In fact, if Hillary Clinton was to run for president in 2008, without a third party candidate focused on illegal immigration, the survey shows nothing can stop Hillary from winning. Basically, we will have another Clinton in the White House in 2009 if a conservative third party candidate doesn’t come forth and champion U.S. sovereignty and fight illegal immigration. The survey shows that a third party candidate can win in a three-way race. Hillary wins in a two-way race between Democrats and Republicans. But a third party President facing a Congress split between two opposition parties could mean a seriously failed presidency. That is why a third party would have to ensure candidates run for the House and Senate at the same time, and do so with a ‘joint game plan’ with the presidential candidate. If the ‘Contract with America,’ where candidates ran on a group platform, worked in 1994, it can work in 2008, linking a third party’s presidential candidate with that party’s congressional candidates, all sporting the same key issues and ‘running together’ after a fashion.

With this in mind, neo-con Republicans would no longer be able to scare conservatives into voting for them simply based on the idea that ‘if you don’t vote for us, the Democrats will control everything.” This worn out line has really lost its impact; especially with how the Republican controlled Congress and White House have spent the last five years acting like Democrats.

But what party to form, or which party to look to? To try and form a new, independent party now, looking two years ahead, is a daunting task. I question if this can be done in a manner that will be effective. Looking at existing third parties, which ones have fairly viable organizations that stretch across the country? There are only two I’m aware of that meet the organizational criteria: the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party. Both, overall, tend to hold fairly sound, traditional views on limited government, fiscal responsibility by government, and limited international involvement (leaving that involvement to be purely economic). It’s in the area of immigration that these two parties differ. It is the Constitution Party that holds the view the Rasmussen survey shows can take the White House.

If the American people wish to break the stranglehold that the current two-party system holds over them (and will surely lead to our financial, cultural and political demise), then anyone who considers themselves a patriot should look to backing the one viable party that stands for American sovereignty and the control of our borders: The Constitution Party. Cast off fears that not voting Republican will mean Hillary gets the White House. The survey shows that that very fear will ensure she gets the White house. It takes courage to take a new path, and it’s time all conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists got in the one vehicle that’s currently available to take us back to the constitutional republic our forefathers left us.

I’m not saying that every official position of the Constitution Party is going to appeal to all conservatives/constitutionalists/traditionalist, but neither do all the planks in the Republican or Democrat platforms. I’m just saying that if the citizens want to take back their country from the elites and globalists, it’s time to break with the establishment one-worlders who are selling us down the river and take action via a political party that is working to preserve our Constitution as intended, not as interpreted (or ignored) by elitists.

The Constitution Party stands for more than just defending against immigration, and people should read up on them. At the same time, the Constitution Party needs to promote more of their fiscal views. Currently, they are known mostly as a pro-life party. They can’t ride an anti-abortion, one-trick pony to the White House or to Congress. To be viewed as a truly viable party, the Constitution Party needs to promote their other views concerning limited government, fiscal responsibility and halting illegal immigration. Getting a truly conservative, Constitution-honoring political party into Congress and the White House would help to steer the U.S. back towards sanity. A three-way split in political parties working in Congress could be really beneficial to the health of our Republic.

I know there will be Republican supporters out there that will tell me I’m dividing their ranks and now is the time to fight to keep the Republican Party on track. I can only say that not only is the Republican Party not on track, it has derailed and had a horrible wreck. At this point in time, it is a fool’s errand to attempt to change the neo-con party. I’m also confidant that some Libertarians out there will tell me I should be backing the Libertarian Party rather than the Constitution Party, as they are the real party of true liberty. The Libertarian Party has a lot of good positions on issues. However, as I stated earlier, the big issue that is the turning point for making a third party a true player on the national level is illegal immigration, and the Libertarian Party doesn’t have the correct position on it to take advantage of the current situation in America. In looking for the best vehicle to break the stranglehold that the Republican-Democrat system has on public office, the Libertarian Party simply isn’t positioned properly to be that vehicle.

I freely admit that I’m not a Republican any more (I haven’t been for about 10 years now), and that I’m not a Constitution Party member…yet. However, the time is ripe for change, and I’m tired of being a disaffected conservative. Thanks to the spinelessness of establishment politicians, the climate is right for a new major political party, and the Constitution Party is right on the issue of immigration to take advantage of the times. This is not just a chance to shake up the two-party system, but a chance to take our country back and make it a home again for citizens rather than territory to be conquered by the illegal invaders.


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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The Constitution Party platform is no better than the Republican platform.

Actually, it's worse than the GOP's.

21 posted on 05/18/2006 4:19:31 AM PDT by rdb3 (Honey, you keep that up and it's whatever you want it to be. --Family Guy)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Many will vote for the same people and expect different results. It doesn't happen.

Vote for the same, get the same.


22 posted on 05/18/2006 4:19:39 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: rhombus

Yesterday, F. Lee Levin made a comment about forcing the RINOs to form their own third party. The Republican primaries are the best place for the members to do that (i.e., get rid of the RINOs). Apparently, that's what's happening now. JMHO.


23 posted on 05/18/2006 4:21:03 AM PDT by Lord Basil (Hate isn't a family value; it's a liberal one.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

How about the immigration party? Tom Tancredo for president and Joe Arpaio for vice president:)


24 posted on 05/18/2006 4:21:16 AM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: NZerFromHK

As a foreigner, let me warn you I have a feeling all of this calls for Third Party movements among American conservatives are plans of VLWC (vast left-wing conspiracy) moles planted deep inside the conservative movement. Just as the KGB had plenty of spies in the West and they are some of the last people who you would have guessed they are Soviet spies, only a fool will believe the Left in America never copies this tactics.

I'm quite sure some of the VLWC moles are dressing themselves up as "bona-fide" "true conservatives".

Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone...

25 posted on 05/18/2006 4:22:39 AM PDT by rdb3 (Honey, you keep that up and it's whatever you want it to be. --Family Guy)
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To: Buckhead

I have a suspicion he is more than a numbnut. Something far more sinister, such as the possibility that he is a leftist mole inside the US conservative movement. I know that if I were the director of a foreign country's intelligence agency and I want to subvert the US conservative movement, I would plant moles like such to sow discords and weaken it.


26 posted on 05/18/2006 4:22:45 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: FerdieMurphy

We need to get the genuine conservatives from both houses of congress, at both the state and local level, to see the futility of staying with the Republicans and the oppportunity of uniting as a new, forceful representative entity. We need to convince these officials to leave the party en masse. I believe that is the only effective way to start this new party. Definitely plenty of high quality conservatives at the grassroots level worthy of our support but we need to get the established conservatives to cross over first.


27 posted on 05/18/2006 4:22:53 AM PDT by wally-balls
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To: Lord Basil
The Republican primaries are the best place for the members to do that (i.e., get rid of the RINOs). Apparently, that's what's happening now. JMHO.

This is exactly why we have primaries. CP people need to be running in Republican primaries. Why don't they? Do you suppose it's easier to stand there and pretend they're better than Republicans, knowing full well they'll never have to prove it?

28 posted on 05/18/2006 4:23:41 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: FerdieMurphy

IF a third part COULD win (they can't)...I would sign up...but all they will do is get democrats elected.


29 posted on 05/18/2006 4:23:48 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: sgtbono2002
Third parties cant make it without a strong candidate. Someone exceptional like Teddy Roosevelt.

If I recall the Bull Moose party was not a success. Instead it split the Republicans and ended up electing the Democrat, Wilson with 43% of the vote.

30 posted on 05/18/2006 4:24:19 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: FerdieMurphy
Lately I've been thinking that if neither the Republicans or Democrats do enough about the illegal immigration and border security to satisfy most Americans, there will be a viable third party candidate in 2008.
31 posted on 05/18/2006 4:24:50 AM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: Michael Goldsberry
No Perot path to a President Clinton. No! Never again!

What about a Ralph Nader path to a President G. W. Bush, or would a President Gore have been more to your liking?

32 posted on 05/18/2006 4:26:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Not since the 1850s has the political environment been so ripe for the emergence of another political party onto the national scene in a manner that will allow it to ‘play with the big boys.’ Back then, it was the newly formed Republican Party that came on the scene and eventually eclipsed and killed the Whig Party. If a political party, whether it were to be a newly formed party or one of the current third parties, was to make the right move, it could dominate the right, become a defender of the Constitution, and truly get into the game with the ‘big boys.’

This isn't 1850 and we are in a War on Terror with a bunch of radical nuts that want to slit my children's throat

There is no wiggle room to play games

If the 3rd party pull another bleeping Perot on this country and give us another Clinton or worse ... I will never ever forgive them and I will let everyone I know just how I feel about it

33 posted on 05/18/2006 4:26:39 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Lord Basil
The Republican primaries are the best place for the members to do that (i.e., get rid of the RINOs).

That's true, if the party bosses will support consevatives. Let me ask you something: Have you, to date, seen even one party functionary who isn't supporting the RINO line? Even one?

The party bosses are getting what they want. And judging from what they've been saying, conservatives ain't it.

34 posted on 05/18/2006 4:27:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: zert_28
there will be a viable third party candidate in 2008.

It depends on the definition of "viable". Obviously viable does not mean win or there would be more examples from American history.

35 posted on 05/18/2006 4:27:29 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: FerdieMurphy

This could end up like the voting on American Idol where, everyone is separated by a few 100ths of a percentage point.


36 posted on 05/18/2006 4:27:36 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Mo1
There is no wiggle room to play games

Better in '06 than '08.

37 posted on 05/18/2006 4:27:40 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: FerdieMurphy
While I agree with this assessment, unfortunately, all we will get from a third party is another bunch of power hungry guys who will find a different way to abandon their principles.

If there is a class war, it should be between the civil servants (or civil masters) and the people they rule. We produce, they either consume or distribute. the Bureaucrat is a lamprey of civilization.
38 posted on 05/18/2006 4:27:55 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: FerdieMurphy

The Clinton election strategy. Remember Bubbas percentages.


39 posted on 05/18/2006 4:28:27 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; SunkenCiv

Last June I thought about switching to the Constitution Party, but when I checked their forums I found they weren't serious about winning the War on Terror. Some Constitutionalists, like the Libertarians, refuse to recognize it as a real war, because Congress didn't issue the same kind of formal declaration that it passed after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor; never mind that Osama bin Laden declared war on us in a 1998 speech, or that hardly any government has made such a declaration in the last fifty years. Some were even entertaining the wild theory that the World Trade Center was not hit by airplanes, but destroyed in a controlled implosion, on orders from Washington! Thus, I had to conclude they are Paleo-Cons, and while they have good ideas on the rule of law, they're not the place for a Neo-Con like me.

"Those of us who believe in the two-party system regard voting for a third party as throwing away your vote. However, we could use two new parties to replace the Democrats and Republicans."--Thomas Sowell, 07/14/2005


40 posted on 05/18/2006 4:29:54 AM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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