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PACE communist resolution "new inquisition" - Russian Orthodox cleric
Interfax ^ | 26 January 2006

Posted on 01/28/2006 11:56:02 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Moscow, January 26, Interfax - The passage of a resolution condemning totalitarian communist regimes by the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) might led to armed actions against countries that are still guided by the communist ideology, said Professor Andrei Kurayev of the Moscow Religious Academy.

"The PACE rapporteurs' attempt to equalize communism and Nazism implies the justification of any forms of counterpropaganda, the justification of confrontation and violence against communist regimes in general," Father Andrei told Interfax.

If communist China, North Korea, or Cuba is put on the same level with Nazi Germany, this implies "a carte blanche for any action of force, possibly including even the use of weapons of mass destruction in the fight with such an ultimately evil and demonized enemy," he said.

"The session in Strasbourg was a kind of new inquisition, in which a certain ideological and philosophic system was tried. I disagree with it, but in this particular case the judicial gag would set a sad precedent by identifying areas closed for discussion," he said.

Kurayev admitted that, as an Orthodox cleric, he assumes a position that is "far from the communist one," and this is why he said he would like to keep the right to engage in polemics with the communist ideology.

"I don't see fit to maintain polemics with voices from the underground. Therefore, to have the right to criticize communism, I would like the communists to have the right to criticize my weltanschauung. This should be left within the legal framework of cultural polyphony," he said.

Answering a question from the Gazeta daily, he noted that ‘Russia has fallen away from her communist totalitarianism much farther than judges from the PACE.

‘Nobody at least is judged for his convictions in Russia’, he noted, adding, ‘You can judge one for a theft, murder, for any other crime but not for convictions. Communist ideology is a conviction. Do not judge, and you will not be judged’.


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KEYWORDS: coldwar2; commiechurch; communism; communistsinrobes; corruptreligion; fakeorthodox; kgb; orthodox; pace; putin; russia; soviet; sovietunion; ussr

1 posted on 01/28/2006 11:56:03 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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2 posted on 01/28/2006 12:04:16 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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3 posted on 01/28/2006 12:06:09 PM PST by lizol
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Communism is a way of life much more than an ideology or a state regime. By focusing on only one of multiple meanings of this word ["Communist ideology is a conviction"] Andrei Kuraev is engaging in self-interested sophistry, and is unworthy of consideration or rebuttals.


4 posted on 01/28/2006 12:16:35 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"If communist China, North Korea, or Cuba is put on the same level with Nazi Germany, this implies "a carte blanche for any action of force, possibly including even the use of weapons of mass destruction in the fight with such an ultimately evil and demonized enemy," he said."

Kind of like a gay activist on steroids.


5 posted on 01/28/2006 12:24:45 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: GSlob
Au contraire. Communism is an all encompassing system which controls all of ones life and forbids dissent, at least in practice if not in doctrine, and seeks world domination in furtherance of that.
6 posted on 01/28/2006 12:29:27 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Dead wrong. I FRmailed you an analysis, mostly after Alexander Zinoviev.


7 posted on 01/28/2006 12:32:38 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Thanks. I will be happy to read what you sent but history seems to bear me out.


8 posted on 01/28/2006 12:36:51 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Im tired of russian and chinese whitewashing of history and facts. I also tire of their continuing cat and mouse games with the west and their corrupt little alliances ergo China/Russia/Iran/Syria. I hate to say it but the world would be a helluva lot better if they were not on it.


9 posted on 01/28/2006 12:37:16 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
What you are describing is basic human nature, the tendency of the big and strong to dominate the small and weak. And you are correct, it flies under various banners, Communism being only one. The fact that Communism was an overlay on a culture already predisposed to such, matters not. We are all so predisposed. That, however, is a distinction without a difference.

Communism is a system for incorporating and formalizing the worst of mankind's nature. Because it is all encompassing it also includes the economy. The other examples you give do the same. They all have iron fisted control from the top down. They are also all expansionist. Freedom is the antidote to that and, as such, is suppressed.

Freedom is the necessary basis for free enterprise, which is our economic system as opposed to capitalism, the misguided idea that those who control the money control the economy and the society.

Control is the antithesis of freedom and as such free enterprise and capitalism can't coexist. Those who have the money must not use it to control or they destroy that which they seek, a method (system) for making more money.

Free enterprise also cannot exist without a system of government that allows individuals the freedom of choice and participation. Our system of government and our economic system are inextricably intertwined. So is the system of government and the economies of despotic countries. History shows which is superior.
10 posted on 01/28/2006 1:03:07 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: GSlob

Oops. I sent #10 to myself and it was intended for you.


11 posted on 01/28/2006 1:14:02 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

‘Nobody at least is judged for his convictions in Russia’, he noted, adding, ‘You can judge one for a theft, murder, for any other crime but not for convictions. Communist ideology is a conviction. Do not judge, and you will not be judged’.


Well right out of his mouth "communism" is a religion and above judgment, I think I have heard this before...


12 posted on 01/28/2006 4:15:41 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They'll simply try to project their communist/fascist desires on another group, as they did in the past. But we'll save these links and articles for such occasions.


13 posted on 01/28/2006 5:21:33 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I have noticed that the Putin fans won't come over here. This shows that the Russian Orthodox Church is still the government of Russia's church (It was from Stalin till now), and that it still supports communism.


14 posted on 01/28/2006 6:14:24 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Re # 10: and sociological communism is indeed the most basic part of human nature [it is the regular self-preservation instinct, but directed not against saber-toothed tigers, but rather against the fellow humans in social situations]. The whole progress of civilization has been a struggle to limit or channel it, through invention of laws, morality, publicity, religion and so on. The more successful of these inventions fall under the title of "civil society", as distinct from the goverment-controlled developments.


15 posted on 01/28/2006 7:25:18 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How can live average Russian Orthodox Christian in Russia if many priests (thank God, not all) are supporters of communism like A.Kurayev is? If patriarchy of Russian Orthodox Church obey to Pr.Putin and other communist monsters.. Confound it!
16 posted on 01/28/2006 8:03:52 PM PST by nativeRussian
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To: nativeRussian


Beware the "Church of Moscow"


17 posted on 01/29/2006 4:12:58 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If he is a real Christian than he should have no problem with taking a strong stand against Communism. Hmmmmm .... I guess that answers that question.


18 posted on 02/02/2006 1:14:37 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Thunder90

As a Grandson of an an Eastern Orthodox man who was born in Czarist Russia, I agree with you 100%.


19 posted on 02/02/2006 1:16:41 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: nativeRussian

You took the words right out of my mouth. You wrote the truth!


20 posted on 02/02/2006 1:17:36 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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