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The NRA versus the Rest of Us
Democracy Arsenal (blog) ^ | 1/12/06 | Lorelei Kelly

Posted on 01/13/2006 9:24:06 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

The NRA versus the Rest of Us

Posted by Lorelei Kelly

Another example of how well conservatives have staked out the terrain at the intersection of politics and ideas: This month's Foreign Policy magazine has a terrific article about the worldwide influence of America's highly influential gun lobby, the National Rifle Association.

Author David Morton, writing from South America, depicts how the NRA exploits the dark side of globalization--using shallow "feel good" messages about liberty and freedom to push its ideological agenda--one that allows no limits on individual ownership of guns.

The disappointing part of the NRA is not found in its basic premise, gun ownership, education and safety. The problem for society and, apparently, for the rest of the world is their "slippery slope" insistence that any regulation will lead to complete disarmament. When they decide to take their message international, therefore, the painstakingly constructed and maintained regime of international arms control is threatened. If gun control is bad in America, goes the NRA logic, then arms control must be bad for the world. The NRA and their flacks in other countries claim that gun control advocates want to leave citizens vulnerable to "criminals". Well, in increasing circumstances those "criminals" just might be free-agent or organized jihadistas who want to get their hands on deadly devices to kill us.

But the NRA, though not explicitly, through its anti-gun control agenda--erodes away domestic will and support for government programs that help reduce that threat-- like compliance and inspection, like participation in international arms trafficking, (or supporting the UN conventional arms registry) like discussing limits, period.

Both the military and the State Department have excellent arms control programs--and do mighty amounts of work for pennies (appx 3 million a year at state). They have received more attention lately because of real military threats, small arms and light weapons like shoulder launched missiles (MANPADS) and the dual-use nature of regular old munitions that create pernicious destruction (IEDs.)

Last summer, I spoke with an American soldier who worked on an inspection team in West Africa--he said he had visited villages where they found huts that looked like "Wal Marts for Terrorists".

It seems the NRA is willing to risk all of our safety--military and civilian alike--with its distorted version of individual rights and a worldview seemingly unchanged despite the threats that 9/11 brought home. The Bush administration has recognized that criminals and terrorists can be one in the same, nevertheless his supporters will not pass up a chance to drive a Mack truck through every gun control loophole that's presented itself, domestic and international. Maybe its because their political base includes those gun fanatics who shoot out the traffic cameras in Idaho intersections, but say nothing about his domestic spying agenda. A convenient political tradeoff: their votes for our safety. Thanks, NRA.


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To: kiriath_jearim
Author David Morton, writing from South America, depicts how the NRA exploits the dark side of globalization--using shallow "feel good" messages about liberty and freedom to push its ideological agenda--one that allows no limits on individual ownership of guns

Memo To David Morton:
Typical Idiot!
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21 posted on 01/13/2006 10:27:06 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: kiriath_jearim
The NRA and their flacks in other countries claim that gun control advocates want to leave citizens vulnerable to "criminals". Well, in increasing circumstances those "criminals" just might be free-agent or organized jihadistas THE GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES who want to get their hands on deadly devices to kill us.

that looks better.
22 posted on 01/13/2006 10:29:17 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: kiriath_jearim; Barney Gumble
"If gun control is bad in America, goes the NRA logic, then arms control must be bad for the world. The NRA and their flacks in other countries claim that gun control advocates want to leave citizens vulnerable to "criminals". Well, in increasing circumstances those "criminals" just might be free-agent or organized jihadistas who want to get their hands on deadly devices to kill us. "

Wow! Who can argue with that???

This entire piece is bereft of logic.

23 posted on 01/13/2006 10:34:42 AM PST by jjm2111 (---This space intentionally left blank----)
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To: BigTom85

24 posted on 01/13/2006 10:39:55 AM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: Joe Brower

Socialist have to take the sheeples teeth from em.......NRA clearly won't let em ! Nor will I.

BTW I am pissed at the ATA for moving the Grand American to Illinois from Ohio !

Why didn't they reward a pro gun state with all that goes with such a large venue of shooters and vendors vs giving the rat nazi leadership of illinois a dime of revenue from the shooting sports..... ???


25 posted on 01/13/2006 10:43:37 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Gun control is one of those rare issues in which all the facts are on one side and most of the laws and most of the media are on the exact opposite.

There really is no reasonable explanation of controlling personal weapons yet they are tightly controlled all over the world. Of course the real reason is the ones in power want even more power and an armed population is the main thing preventing that.

26 posted on 01/13/2006 10:44:25 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Fiddlstix
Good morning,
"Author David Morton, writing from South America,"

I wonder if Dave is writing from the large country in South America where the citizens just voted overwhelmingly to keep their firearms rights.

Michael Frazier
27 posted on 01/13/2006 10:48:22 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

When the NRA speaks about 2nd Amendment rights, they're speaking specifically about rights that we Americans enjoy exclusively. Other countries are free to model their systems of government after ours....because it's the best one out there. Through observation, the NRA has noted that countries that practice draconian gun control/confiscation are ultimately primed for problems and unrest.

~ Blue Jays ~

28 posted on 01/13/2006 10:51:00 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: pabianice
Ms. Kelly: You neatly avoid mentioning that, over the past 20 years, in states where concealed carry of firearms licensing ...

Why bother. She is not going to let herself be confused by the truth. Gun control and liberalism are a form of religion to people like her and not based in any rational thought process - just based on the worship of the all powerfull state.

29 posted on 01/13/2006 10:53:16 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: kiriath_jearim
When they decide to take their message international, therefore, the painstakingly constructed and maintained regime of international arms control is threatened.

     Yahoo!   

30 posted on 01/13/2006 11:01:14 AM PST by jdege
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To: Blue Jays

Personally, I don't give a rats a$$ what other countries do with their gun laws. I really don't think the NRA cares all that much either. We have a big enough battle here at home with those who would take away our RKBA.


31 posted on 01/13/2006 11:09:57 AM PST by oneofmany (ACLU -- Destroying America since 1920)
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To: oneofmany
Hi oneofmany-

The folks at the NRA are good at warning intelligent Americans of the errors made by gun-grabbing countries like Australia...which is suffering an upswing in violent crime.

We really only need to ensure our RKBA isn't threatened, but most people should be able to understand what happens when governments get unnecessarily involved.

~ Blue Jays ~

32 posted on 01/13/2006 11:19:56 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The NRA versus the Rest of Us

Democracy Arsenal (blog)

Does anyone else find it ironic that she uses the word arsenal in the name of her blog?

33 posted on 01/13/2006 11:23:01 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: yarddog
Gun control is one of those rare issues in which all the facts are on one side and most of the laws and most of the media are on the exact opposite.

Nope - global warming - DDT - asbestos - secondhand smoke - minimum wage - welfare - "tax cuts hurt the economy" - public schools - Bush/Gore, 2000 - Bush's 16 words, yellowcake, Joe Wilson & Valerie Plame - CBS's National Guard "documents" - mine safety has fallen under Bush - almost all of the 'rat positions are likewise. If you were right, you would essentially be saying that the media and 'rats were largely correct about everything else, except gun control.

34 posted on 01/13/2006 11:26:17 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Blue Jays

Yes, I agree. The NRA is good at supplying all of its members the info about whats happening internationally. I guess I just don't agree with the author suggesting the NRA is making some kind of big push to get involved in other sounties gun positions.


35 posted on 01/13/2006 11:27:01 AM PST by oneofmany (ACLU -- Destroying America since 1920)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Lorelei Kelly

I am the NRA, you ignorant commie slut!


36 posted on 01/13/2006 11:34:50 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Nobody will be asked.)
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To: coloradan

Now that I think about it, you are completely right.


37 posted on 01/13/2006 11:43:43 AM PST by yarddog
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To: kiriath_jearim
Well, in increasing circumstances those "criminals" just might be free-agent or organized jihadistas who want to get their hands on deadly devices to kill us.

Ones who...in an armed society...will die pointlessly.

38 posted on 01/13/2006 12:02:59 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: coloradan
Liberalism is a mental disorder - and with most liberals, it has also become a religion. Therefore, no one with a logical argument need apply. Facts, history, current events, science, none of these things matter to a liberal who is the most closed-minded person on earth. I think its because most liberals are those who have smoked dope for the last 30 years and who, therefore, are incapable of thinking at all let alone in a logical manner. I have heard liberalism described as "I think it therefore it must be true." To them "guns kill people" does not translate into governments kill people. The Founders knew otherwise and nothing in the history of the last 230 years has made me think differently.
39 posted on 01/13/2006 12:17:38 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: lepton
Well, in increasing circumstances those "criminals" just might be free-agent or organized jihadistas who want to get their hands on deadly devices to kill us.

And of course, she probably thinks that government will protect her. I have no doubt that the Russians are supplying 90% of the small arms used by radical Islamists. We have already seen how worthless are UN treaties with that country. The only effect of UN global gun prohibition will be to make the average citizen even more helpless. I'll keep mine, thank you.

40 posted on 01/13/2006 12:21:25 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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