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The NRA versus the Rest of Us
Democracy Arsenal (blog) ^ | 1/12/06 | Lorelei Kelly

Posted on 01/13/2006 9:24:06 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

The NRA versus the Rest of Us

Posted by Lorelei Kelly

Another example of how well conservatives have staked out the terrain at the intersection of politics and ideas: This month's Foreign Policy magazine has a terrific article about the worldwide influence of America's highly influential gun lobby, the National Rifle Association.

Author David Morton, writing from South America, depicts how the NRA exploits the dark side of globalization--using shallow "feel good" messages about liberty and freedom to push its ideological agenda--one that allows no limits on individual ownership of guns.

The disappointing part of the NRA is not found in its basic premise, gun ownership, education and safety. The problem for society and, apparently, for the rest of the world is their "slippery slope" insistence that any regulation will lead to complete disarmament. When they decide to take their message international, therefore, the painstakingly constructed and maintained regime of international arms control is threatened. If gun control is bad in America, goes the NRA logic, then arms control must be bad for the world. The NRA and their flacks in other countries claim that gun control advocates want to leave citizens vulnerable to "criminals". Well, in increasing circumstances those "criminals" just might be free-agent or organized jihadistas who want to get their hands on deadly devices to kill us.

But the NRA, though not explicitly, through its anti-gun control agenda--erodes away domestic will and support for government programs that help reduce that threat-- like compliance and inspection, like participation in international arms trafficking, (or supporting the UN conventional arms registry) like discussing limits, period.

Both the military and the State Department have excellent arms control programs--and do mighty amounts of work for pennies (appx 3 million a year at state). They have received more attention lately because of real military threats, small arms and light weapons like shoulder launched missiles (MANPADS) and the dual-use nature of regular old munitions that create pernicious destruction (IEDs.)

Last summer, I spoke with an American soldier who worked on an inspection team in West Africa--he said he had visited villages where they found huts that looked like "Wal Marts for Terrorists".

It seems the NRA is willing to risk all of our safety--military and civilian alike--with its distorted version of individual rights and a worldview seemingly unchanged despite the threats that 9/11 brought home. The Bush administration has recognized that criminals and terrorists can be one in the same, nevertheless his supporters will not pass up a chance to drive a Mack truck through every gun control loophole that's presented itself, domestic and international. Maybe its because their political base includes those gun fanatics who shoot out the traffic cameras in Idaho intersections, but say nothing about his domestic spying agenda. A convenient political tradeoff: their votes for our safety. Thanks, NRA.


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1 posted on 01/13/2006 9:24:07 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Proof again that Liberalism, as a mental disease, is not limited to the United States.


2 posted on 01/13/2006 9:29:47 AM PST by xcamel (Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Where's the BARF alert?


3 posted on 01/13/2006 9:32:36 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
It seems the NRA is willing to risk all of our safety--military and civilian alike--with its distorted version of individual rights

It seems the liberals are willing to risk all liberty for their distorted view of supreme government control.

4 posted on 01/13/2006 9:33:45 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This entire argument is premised on the notion that the government and the UN can protect people from violence, notwithstanding the fact that history proves otherwise. Conclusively. And the NRA has power solely because of the size of its membership, and that's called democracy.


5 posted on 01/13/2006 9:34:38 AM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; Admin Moderator
Closer to Angry Expat Liberal Projectile Vomit alert
6 posted on 01/13/2006 9:39:15 AM PST by xcamel (Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Come and get them, dirtbags!


7 posted on 01/13/2006 9:42:00 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is the reason I preduct that gun cleaning accidents will continue to rise in the Moon Beam town of La La land.


8 posted on 01/13/2006 9:42:01 AM PST by kentj
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To: kiriath_jearim

"The problem for society and, apparently, for the rest of the world is their "slippery slope" insistence that any regulation will lead to complete disarmament."

History: Germany, concerned with riots in the streets between Nazi's and Communist's, required registration of all handguns in an attempt to quell the violence. When the Nazi took power, they used those registration lists to disarm the population, so they could herd them into concentration camps. "Slippery slope"....


9 posted on 01/13/2006 10:02:49 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
The Foreign Policy article mentioned in this article can be found at the link below. Required reading for advocates of firearms rights:

Gunning For the World

If anyone has the time and wants to post this article as a seperate thread, please flag me and I will ping my entire RKBA list to it.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

10 posted on 01/13/2006 10:06:29 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the link!


11 posted on 01/13/2006 10:15:15 AM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: Joe Brower

God bless the NRA (Lifetime Member since 1975).


12 posted on 01/13/2006 10:16:11 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: xcamel
Catch this: using shallow "feel good" messages about liberty and freedom to push its ideological agenda.

Only a true totalitarian Stalinist could call liberty and freedom "shallow fell good" ideas. The more they talk, the more I am convinced that guns ought to be REQUIRED in the possession of every free, competent adult.

13 posted on 01/13/2006 10:17:13 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Actually the Argument that the NRA MUST start using here and at home is

"Disarming the Civilian Populace leaves them vulnerable to tin horn dictators in countries like North Korea, China, Iran, Iraq, etc.. etc.. etc..


14 posted on 01/13/2006 10:18:18 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
To: loreleilikely@yahoo.com

Ms. Kelly:

You neatly avoid mentioning that, over the past 20 years, in states where concealed carry of firearms licensing has been adopted, violent crime has dropped. Conversely, where people are prohibited from carry guns for self defense, violent crime has increased, esp. in DC, which has the most draconian anti-gun laws in the country. And let’s not forget Boston, just down the road from me, which is locked into a spiral of increasing gun violence the more the city limits the law-abiding in gun ownership.

Lawful gun ownership is not only going to increase, but increasingly will drive the Democrats into a permanent political minority. That the Left cannot accept that gun laws disarm only the honest continues to baffle me.

Sincerely,

15 posted on 01/13/2006 10:21:53 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Joe Brower

BTTT


16 posted on 01/13/2006 10:22:11 AM PST by hattend (I wanna go through the Stargate!)
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To: Joe Brower
Ping away, Sir!

Gunning For the World.

Posted by kiriath_jearim

17 posted on 01/13/2006 10:23:24 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Joe Brower
I guess the "problem" with us NRA types is that we believe our rights are granted by God and not some feel good bureaucracy.
19 posted on 01/13/2006 10:25:05 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: facedown

Anybody have a picture of the worlds smallest violin??? This little tofu fartin wacko lib is an official lunatic.


20 posted on 01/13/2006 10:27:01 AM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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