Posted on 05/13/2005 7:36:25 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
It looks like William Rivers (Pied Piper) Pitt is doing a lot of worrying that the scam perpetrated by Andy Stephenson is going to explode in his face. Pity Poor Pathetic Pied Piper Pitt (had to get in at least one allitertation) for he hasn’t slept since April as you can see in this Pitt authored DUmmie THREAD titled, “I could use a little help here.” Yeah, Pitt, you could actually use a LOT of help WHEN the AndyScam blows up in such a way that even the incredibly gullible DUmmies realize that Andy Stephenson has been scamming them just as cold-bloodedly as his former mentor, Bev Harris. A constant theme right now in DUmmieland is that they just KNOW that Andy is on the up and up BECAUSE Pied Piper Pitt told them so. I hate to tell you this DUmmies but Pied Piper Pitt has ALSO been having doubts about the DUmmies as have been documented in the Free Republic discussion forum of the previous DUFU edition titled, “’About the Andy Stephenson situation’---Skinner.” Oh, and speaking of Skinner, haven’t the DUmmies noticed that he has been MIA since issuing his doubts about Stephenson a few days ago? Skinner is less than an hour from Baltimore but he has yet to make the short trip over there to verify Andy’s fraudulent story. It is “The Silence of the Scams.” So let us now join Pied Piper Pitt in his state of complete sleeplessness. Somehow I think Pitt will be greeting the sun for many, many mornings to come. As usual the insomniac rantings of Pitt and his DUmmie followers are in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, who enjoyed a refreshing night of deep sleep, is in the [brackets]:
I could use a little help here
[You sure do, Pied Piper Pitt, especially after the DUmmies form a lynch mob to go after you when even those dopes realize FOR SURE that they have been scammed by Andy Stephenson, thanks in large part to you vouching for Andy’s honesty.]
I haven't been able to sleep for about two weeks. I start to drop off, and maybe actually sleep for about 20 minutes, before popping awake. Last night, for about the fifteenth day in a row, I saw the sun come up against my will. This has started to affect my stomach, which makes sleeping harder. I have tried exercise to wear myself out, and have managed to badly strain a muscle in my back.
[Your back will hurt even more after the DUmmies start angrily beating on it while cursing you for enabling the AndyScam.]
So, to recap: No sleep since April, rotten stomach, torn up back. I've reached that insomnia point where I am psyching myself out; I got no sleep the night before last, spent yesterday writing a PDA action alert and a 30-minute speech transcript, drove two hours to do the speech, gave the speech, did a three-hour Q&A, talked to people for another hour, drove two more hours to get home, and by the time I got back here I was literally quivering with exhaustion.
[So, to recap: You are worried sick about what will happen to you after Andy Stephenson is proven to be a complete FRAUD even to the satisfaction of the incredibly gullible DUmmie suckers.]
But I laid awake until 6:37am (I remember looking at the clock), popped awake an 8, 9, 10 before finally giving up and getting up at 11. I can barely see straight right now, my stomach feels like it has snakes in it, my back is killing me so I can't exercise...and I know for a stone fact that I won't be able to sleep again. Tried a nap an hour or so ago. Came thiiiiiiiis close to dropping of and then popped awake.
[3:11 AM: “Worried sick about the backlash when Andy’s scam is finally proven.”
3:12 AM: “Will they toss me out of Dummieland?”
3:13 AM: “Will my speaking engagements be cancelled?”
3:14 AM: “Maybe I could change my identity.”
3:15 AM: “DAMN YOU TO HELL, Andy, for suckering me into being your lousy cheerleader!!!”
3:16 AM: “Is it 3:17 AM yet?”]
Any ideas? I've already heard about taking mela-whatever, but that stuff gave my mother splitting headaches when she tried it. I have drastically cut back on caffiene. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. I've reached that violently, violently, violently frustrated stage of insomnia where sleep is a guaranteed impossibility, and if a routine like yesterday's (while on no sleep) can't get it done, I am at a total loss.
[Confession is good for the soul. And now let us read the hilarious advice on insomnia cures from your fellow DUmmies, Pitt.]
scotch. start about 3pm. you'll be out by 9
[Thunderbird. Start about 3 PM. You’ll be homeless by 9.]
Tried it. I managed to make myself unconscious, but that isn't sleep. Woke up worse off the next day. Tried it again a few days later, and all that happened was I was drunk and wide awake.
[Pied Piper Pitt---The wide awake drunk. That’s what happens when you fall such obvious scams that Andy perpetrates.]
sex?
[Unfortunately Andy can no longer be located.]
Move the clock...for one thing. Looking at that thing with the blinking : all night can be horrifying.
[If Pitt moves his clock all it will mean is that he will have to keep walking over to it every 5 minutes to check to see if he got at least a half hour of sleep.]
yes, sex works remember, only in fundie land is a monogamous partner of the opposite gender who desires to become pregnant is a requirement for "sex."
[Only in DUmmieland does it not matter what gender or species your sex partner is.]
Will: see a doctor. Insomnia is a bitch, although I only get it maybe once or twice a month.
[Pitt needs to see a shrink doctor. See Pitt lying on the shrink’s couch? Let us see what the shrink is writing on his note pad: “Just plain NUTS!!!”]
This sounds like a case for sleeping pills though I ordinarily wouldn't recommend them.
[NOT a good idea. Pitt would be tempted to swallow the whole bottle after the AndyScam blows up in DUmmieland.]
Benadryl. But don't take it every night, as you can become addicted (as per my physician husband).
[Methinks Pitt would become addicted the first night after desperately popping pill after pill of those Benny’s.]
Eat lots of turkey! Turkey has natural sleep inducers in it.
[And if that doesn’t work, have someone take a frozen turkey and slam it on Pitt’s head to knock him out.]
My problem is that I have bad physical reactions to anti-histamine stuff. I had raging bad allergies as a kid, and was always loaded up on the stuff. After a few years it just messed me up, and still does whenever I touch it.
[I can sympathize, Pitt. I’m allergic to wool so I’ve had to cross sheep off my date list. Such are the sacrifices I’ve had to make.]
Tonight I will do turkey, warm milk and the tub
[You’re going to do turkey in a tub filled with warm milk, Pitt? You really ARE kinky!]
Yes - I like Tylenol PM myself.
[I once tried to commit suicide by taking a cyanide pill. Unfortunately some sick bastard tampered with the cyanide pill bottle and I took a Tylenol that he inserted instead. I’m suing!!!]
empty your mind, grasshopper...
[…be just like your fellow DUmmies, cricket…]
I don't really know any tricks to get to sleep but one thing I discovered is that it makes no sense to just lay there willing yourself to do it - the more you try, the less likely it is that it will happen. So when I couldn't sleep, I'd get up. I'd tidy the house, I'd do laundry, I'd go for a walk, I'd read, I'd write, I'd work. Eventually, I'd get very, very tired and I'd lay down again. If I didn't get to sleep within a reasonable time, I'd get up again.
[Good idea… Hey Pitt! My pad needs cleaning and after that you can do my laundry.]
stop doing crystal meth that's what I had to do.
[speed_addiction…is that you?]
The back thing is my own fault. I've been beating the shit out of myself on my weight bench, way overdoing it to try and get sleepy. A muscle in my shoulderblade area finally got tired of it and told me to f*ck myself.
[And after the AndyScam scandal explodes, Pitt, your fellow DUmmies will be telling you the same thing as your shoulderblade muscle told you.]
Definitely see a doctor...there might be a physiological reason you're having trouble sleeping.
[Pitt’s problem is ALL mental.]
Will, I'm not a doctor, but I am going to go ahead and give you medical advice anyway. Your body is telling you to take a break.
[Yes, good advice. Take a break, Pitt, on a Costa Rica getaway with Andy Stephenson. Don’t worry about expenses. Andy has $50,000 to blow.]
Otherwise, until you see an internist, a bit of turkey, milk and a warm bath. Then find something boring, yet educational, to read.
[Maybe not educational but Pitt’s own writings should do the trick.]
A friend of mine who went through a divorce said she would drop her jaw down as you would right before you fall asleep and then force herself to COUNT SHEEP. It actually worked for her.
[It won’t work for me. I told you before that I’m allergic to wool.]
One word solution... PAMPER!
[One word solution… PAMPERS!]
White noise (I have a CD of very, very faint/distand thunderstorms and rain, and it's coma-inducing).
[White noise (I have a CD of very, very faint Pitt speeches, and it’s coma-inducing).]
Breathe thru your eyes ... Bull Durham
[Breath thru your butt … Andy Stephenson.]
Watch some mindless TV.
[Keith Olbermann.]
Ambien is habit forming and every person is different. So telling someone to ignore legitimate and documented side effects and product warnings is not particularly sound advice, wouldn't you agree?
[WARNING: Side effects of Ambien may inlude nausea, diarrhea attacks, dizziness, urges to support left wing loony causes, and the total loss of any ability to discern obvious scams.]
dude...seriously...smoke up. If I need to be asleep, pot is my friend to a nice, happy, and deep sleep.
[“Puff the magic dragon down by the sea!”]
First of all, sleep is over-rated.
[Sleep? Who needs it!]
You need to start "shutting down" very gradually.
[After the DUmmies finally wake up to the AndyScam, they will be “shutting down” Pitt very rapidly.]
Try to figure out what caused this abnormal sleep cycle to begin in the first place and address that issue.
[I don’t believe that Pitt thinking about how he has become Andy Stephenson’s lead cheerleader in Dummieland is going to help him get any sleep.]
Go To An Acupuncturist ASAP.
[Perhaps the acupuncturist can anesthetize those brain cells containing all memories about Andy.]
want something natural? try acupuncture- & I know where to get it cheap in the south end
[I don’t know about Pitt but Andy certainly would love to be acupunctured in the south end.]
You really should go to a doctor for a sleep evaluation. This may include keeping a diary for a week or so…
[May 13: “WHAT? WHAT? WHAT will I do when the DUmmies rise up against me when the AndyScam breaks?
May 15: “Need to leave the country. PRONTO!”
May 16: “Quick flight down to Costa Rica.”
May 20: “Slight gender preference modification but the honeymoon with Andy is just dreamy!”]
Cancel your appointments. Don't listen to TV or radio. Turn off your cell phone. Rent some funny movies.
[Flim Flam Man. The Sting.]
I've often thought that since DU is headquartered in Wash DC, maybe it's a server in the Media Division of the DNC Headquarters. That's probably where all the C-SPAN callers are also located.
Hey FRiend, old buddy, old pal, LOL - please give me a short synopsis once in awhile, by FReepmail oK?
Thanks!
(I'm a bit busy at work these days.)
1. Has Undie been verifiably diagnosed with pancreatic cancer?
2. Is Undie scheduled for surgery at Johns Hopkins?
Undie could easily clear up these two issues, if he so desired. So could Johns Hopkins. If both are affirmed, I would ask no further question.
Then again, no one ever accused any DU mod of being the sharpest knife...
You guys rock! I don't want Andy or anyone to have cancer, and even if they are the dumbest of DUmmies no one deserves to be scammed.
Man I go to sleep and I miss important stuff. Anyone got a brief synopsis of what I've missed? I left off when the posts were in the 500's...
check out post #837. New timeline info.
Well, tx--you were right there! Have you found #760? That is a really good one! You just can't go to sleep around here! I liked the line you were taking earlier today on those cashier's checks. I had to go eat dinner, so has any more progress been made? See ya there....or elsewhere!;o)
Mee, too.
"BTW... members here have the images saved. Nice try!"
I was looking on the other thread HERE and I get the blue box with the X. Perhaps it is just my computer, I don't know. Do they show up for you?
Okay, I'm headed off to work, to get all the books done by tomorrow morning, so I can watch the felonious Andy 24/7/365 beginning sometime tomorrow (after dinner, after church, after getting cigarettes, whatnot).
DUmmieland has been pretty quiet most of the day; but appearances of course can be deceiving. And based upon historical observation of DUmmieland, "quiet" is usually suddenly erupted.
I just sent the latest on the felonious Andy to Bev Harris.....again. I am sure she reads it, but I doubt if she will "comment," least of all not in here.
Also, the two pages purportedly from Drs. Hartman and Pannu that Undie posted the other day, and which I reposted on the MOADUFU (Mother Of All DUFUs)--those two pages have since disappeared. Undie must have made them inaccessible from his Photobucket. KJ, Speed, Frank, anybody: Do you have a screen capture of those two pages that you could post on this thread?
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That is not true. I've been on the phone with Johns Hopkins since May 2nd proving this is all a hoax. This was going to come out. Andy is just stalling until all the paypal money is released. Principles refusal to admit any lies were employed to raise the money. This is all the proof anyone needs that these scammers are relying on the fact that Andy is the only one that is going to be investigated. They also believe that Andy hasn't said anything actionable. What they don't know is that everyone from Skinner down to Grandma of triplets is being investigated as we argue. Principle’s response no doubt will be similar to sfexpat's when she said she'd love to speak to the FBI. I hope they also won't mind speaking to Hopkins Lawyers who are less than pleased with the methods used to collect the money. Hey there's something not covered by hippa laws. Yes a Johns Hopkins lawyer can be grateful for information and forthcoming with his opinions about how Hopkins name is being abused for fundraising efforts by a patient or non patient. He can also tell you how many people have been inquiring about the “scam” So principle back to you for a second. Again let me ask how the running totals were calculated. Why if sfexpat had access to Andy’s pay pal information to check donations did she need everyone to email her the amount they donated? If she didn't have that access why did she ask anyone to email her? Did she not trust the numbers Andy was/would provide? Today, 03:59 PM
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lol You think she is going to answer? I'm not interested in having a liar give me her spin. How about you just post her answer if she has given you permission to post her email address. Will you say that those questions are pretty important? Moving on (or back), you previously stated that the scam preformed on May 5 was detailed in the documents Andy posted as proof. Are you sure about that or would you like a chance to correct yourself?
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This was posted on Kos I think before Armando deleted the fundraising thread last week. (sorry no live link) I’ve also copied other emails AnonymousArmy posted that he said he received from Beth when he was directed by a collector to contact her directly. This is why I ask if there are prerequisites. Several people have tried to contact her before.
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I know Andy didn't have surgery scheduled on Tuesday. What I'm doing here is posting questions knowing that one brave DU'r (like SomthingsGottaGive was) will break the wall of silence over there and start asking the questions they read here that you can't answer or won't. So in that vain. Is it important for Andy to account for all the money he received during this fundraiser? Should he have to explain any of the inconsistencies used by his supporters to collect the money? I'm asking for you to check you own replies. You said there was proof posted of the may 5 scan. All I'm giving you is a chance to correct yourself.
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Totally irrelevant who I am. I've seen Beth claim anonymousarmy was harassing her. I have a threatening reply posted by AA but haven't seen the stalking emails that produced it. Could you ask sfexpat for permission to post the offending emails that she claims warranted a complaint to AA's isp as claimed in a DU thread. (And the threatening email I copied) Also ask her why Kos hasn’t stripped him of his posting privileges after his trolling efforts there and on DU? She claims on a DU thread kos will ban him Also ask her why she insists AA is a Bevbot when she knows otherwise. Is that not another lie?
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You are a riot principle. Now his name is "Steve" wow you guys are top investigators. Did you get that from his letter to the Hopkins lawyer named "Dan"? Please show me where "Steve" said he filed a report with the FBI. The only thing I see is him saying "The FBI has been contacted". Also if you did some research, like I have, you'd see that "Steve" aka anonymousarmy, somthingsgotagive, MrNiceGuyDied, makes no bones about living in Toronto, Canada. Is he supposed to worry about the FBI, or CSIS. So now we are actually getting somewhere you seem quite rattled in that post to me. How come? Did Beth give you permission to post "Steve's" harassing emails or are you just trying to threaten me hoping I won't continue posting the evidence. CU has done nothing to violate any laws. I haven’t broken any laws posting what I have. Since Andy hasn't shown he has cancer then even if it was against some law to accuse a cancer patient of committing fraud nobody here has anything to worry about. LOL So are you finished answering my questions or will you hang around hoping I break more imaginary laws? What makes you think "Steve" was making up the part about talking to or corresponding with a Hopkins lawyer? What makes you think I haven't talked to the same lawyer? LOL
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If I am "Steve" then sfexapt's threat to have his isp yank his service didn't amount to much. But hey I never claimed to be Steve. If everyone behind the scenes is talking about who he is and how they can stop him, why do they insist he is Bev and why do they refuse to disclose his online aliases? You said he interfered with PayPal... How exactly did he do that. Is it illegal to call paypal and ask them to look into the legitimacy of a donation drive? Is it illegal to challenge a payment once suspicions are raised and not debunked? Do you even know if "Steve" donated? From what I've read that seems highly unlikely. Even though many DUmmies have speculated he donated as part of the dastardly plan to kill Andy. But, from what you say he wouldn't have needed to donate. Just calling and asking a question is enough to lock the funds and threaten his survival. It's really quite telling that it is me you threaten here on this site. Why me? why not all the others that have cast aspersions on Andy's credibility and likelihood of actually having cancer. Can you point to where Andy actually says he has cancer and not just "consistent with cancer"? (oops bev slip) As you can see I'm just waiting for the "Andy never said he had cancer" bullshit but I'd love it if you could prove me wrong by pointing to him posting he definitively has cancer. LOL
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I haven’t seen "Steve" ( I'm so glad you've figured that out typing all his screen names is a pain) post anything anywhere froma lawyer at Johns Hopkins. Only his letter toa lawyer there. However, I have an email, personal addressed by a Hopkins lawyer if you'd like me to post it. Its contents will be rather disappointing however it will prove I too have been "contacted" by a hopkins lawyer named....wait for it...."Dan" I also know his last name but lalarawraw is a top investigator I'm sure she'll get to the bottom of it as quickly as she nailed "Steve’s" first name. Do you want to provide one of those links you are famous for requiring?
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Quote: 157. you guys are like Bush supporter when questioned about WMD. I'm not some nobody. And i already said 18 of the 20 calls to jh did get the hippa reaction. So I started calling pretending to be the friend of an uninsured, out of state patient looking for all the options for my dying friend. I'll diary about that later. For now I’ll post a letter I sent to a Lawyer at JH. .... Hi Dan, Thanks for replying. Briefly I'd like to explain why I called in the first place. Over the past couple of years Andy Stephenson has been involved in a few questionable donation drives that ended rather badly. In the past six months I've received no less than 40 emails from Andy, or one of his agents, soliciting donations for everything from lawyer fees, unemployment relief, to medical tests. This week the request took a rather shocking turn when the pleas for money stated the were to receive cancer treatment. Now if Andy in fact does require this treatment I'm not the type of person that would try and hamper those efforts. However, there have been several claims made that just don't quite add up. As you will see in the links provided it has been made clear that Johns Hopkins is the only hospital that can do the procedure and due to his financial situation he must pay the hospital 25 thousand dollars up front to schedule the surgery. The remaining 25 thousand is apparently due before the surgery or shortly there after. This part is not clear. What I find disturbing is how the five main people collecting the money will drag the good name of Johns Hopkins through the mud in order to get people to feel sorry for Andy and fork over their hard earned money fighting the soulless hospital administration. Several people in the DailyKos links I have provided describe a much different hospital system than the stereotypical impression, one often promoted in the media, that Andy's donation crew repeat in every plea they send out. If Andy can get adequate treatment in his home state of Washington then I think the methods being used to collect the money verge on fraud. But I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement member. To make a short story long. Had Andy said… "I'm very sick, the local cancer hospital says my chances of survival are 50-50 but Johns Hopkins has a treatment that will cost 20 thousand dollars more but increase my odds to 70-30" I think his friends and supporters would still have come up with the money. Instead he has allowed Johns Hopkins to look like a greedy heartless corporation without ever disclosing any alternative options. I'm sure Johns Hopkins fundraises from the progressive community from time to time and I think this kind of behavior hurts the reputation of your institution and may hamper future fundraising efforts. So, that's the reason for my concern. Please see below the links to just some of the sites asking for donations. The DailyKos for example has US senators posting on it and receives half a million hits a day. If I thought these pleas for money were limited to fringe site with not much traffic I might not care. But considering the reach of these sites I had to get in touch. Thank you for your time. Steve Here is a typical comment from the threads..... "I just sent some money. Not much, but I'm amazed that John Hopkins has gotten to the point where they are asking for upfront money on a $50,000 life saving surgery.Goddamn, I'm angry. The notion that John Hopkins is demanding 50% down for life saving surgery makes my fucking blood boil. I wonder how much they charge for the same surgery to a Health Insurance company? Usually hospitals charge the uninsured 2-3x the rate charged insurance companies." http://www.democraticunderground.co...mesg_id=3561640 http://www.democraticunderground.co...ess=104x3588998 http://www.democraticunderground.co...mesg_id=3586155 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/2/142624/0814 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/1/125012/8506 http://www.democracyforwashington.com/ http://www.seattlefordean.com/ http://shireen.forclark.com/story/2005/4/30/231124/276 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MoveOnPgh/message/1649 http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=22 http://www.votepa.us/ http://www.seo-blog.org/5755_omfg_r...tthegop_machine
Principle please review the letter and tell me which parts look like lies, distortions, unreasonable, nasty, or anywhere near as nefarious as your crew will protest. Here is what I've seen "Steve" post on the subject of Hopkins Lawyer's.
MrNiceGuyDied (72 posts)
Tue May-10-05 11:30 AM
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Sorry about the horrid formatting, but more is being released over at CU now, this is it, it's over guys!
Just when you thought things couldn't smell any more rotten...check out this post at the DUmp.
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Fri May-13-05 01:09 PM
Original messageThe REAL Andy Stephenson scandal
Obviously the idea that Andy's illness was a scandalous hoax is false. But in all the urgency to raise money for the surgery and then in the uproar over the allegations, we have forgotten the real scandal:
That Johns Hopkins would not perform life saving surgery without a cash deposit.
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Call me crazy...but could this whole entire "Andy Has Cancer" thing been some kind of stunt to try and bring attention to the DUmps favorite entitlement..."free healthcare for everyone"...and they picked JH as an easy target becasue they are one of the leading hospitals in the nation?
I can see it now...."yeah Andy scammed people out of money...yeah it was a LOT of money...but he did it because he feels so strongly about the sorry state of healthcare in this country he felt it was the ONLY way he could draw attention to the issue."
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