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Question for my Fellow Freepers...
March 23, 2005 | Hildy

Posted on 03/23/2005 5:09:24 PM PST by Hildy

You are in your 20's, and you're visiting somebody in the hospital. You pass by a room where somebody is all contorted up, in a vegitative state. Would you say to your husband:

a)Honey, Don't ever let me live in that condition.

b )Honey, If I ever get like that, please make sure you do everything in your power, whatever the cost to you and our family, financially and emotionally, to keep me in that vegitative state no matter how long it takes. I want you to come and sit by my side every day and go home alone every night. I want to have strangers tend to my most personal needs. If I don't respond in four or five years, make sure I'm kept alive by a feeding tube in my stomach. And, most importantly, if you're not sure if I know what's going on around me, please err on the side of caution and keep me in that bed, indefinitely.

Remember, you're 24 years old. Which one would you pick?


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To: ZinGirl

When is rehab over. After how long do you say, nothing is going to work. One year, four years, five years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. When does it end? If we go down this road, be prepared to fork over 75% of your income in taxes, because that's what it'll take.


241 posted on 03/23/2005 6:26:23 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy

Watch "My Left Foot" someday. It's a good lesson in why life isn't thrown away and even institutionalized lightly. A mindless yuppie, unschooled in the sanctity of life, might respond "have me killed if I'm not pretty any more," but we shouldn't be governed by people who have no respect for life--no matter how inefficient it might be.


242 posted on 03/23/2005 6:28:11 PM PST by farmer18th (Compromising with absurdity is absurdity)
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To: Zeppelin

You might try reading the totality of my post instead of leaping to an emotionally charged and incorrect conclusion. I was referring specifically to severe brain injury.


243 posted on 03/23/2005 6:28:58 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Hildy
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244 posted on 03/23/2005 6:31:27 PM PST by deadhead (God Bless Our Troops and Veterans)
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To: andysandmikesmom

God Bless you.


245 posted on 03/23/2005 6:32:41 PM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: Aliska

haha yeah, he's really smart.


246 posted on 03/23/2005 6:33:13 PM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: Two-Bits
Two-Bits, I am honored to be your kindred sister in spirit. Thank you. And with my sister, her cancer was a fight worth fighting in that for the duration, until he got word that the cancer had traveled to and overtaken her spine, we all remained upbeat and positive that she could beat it, or at least beat it back a few years. Life is precious, and we all knew that with all our beings, including my sissy that was run through the ringer in her battle. The extra time that we all had together was priceless, and no one felt that more than my sissy who bravely faced a very ugly cancer every single minute of every single day. Simple pleasures were GOLD.

God bless you, kindred sister Two-Bits.

247 posted on 03/23/2005 6:36:18 PM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: Wolfstar



You might try reading the totality of my post instead of leaping to an emotionally charged and incorrect conclusion. I was referring specifically to severe brain injury.



I did read the totality of your post, and it made sense, and I am aware that you were speaking specifically on brain injuries.

Now, speaking of "emotionally charged and incorrect conclusions," you probably assumed I was being a smartass and didn't actually want an answer to the question I posed. So click back a few and answer me please.

With all due respect, I was not flaming your post, sorry if you saw it that way. I don't appreciate the insinuations you put forth.


248 posted on 03/23/2005 6:36:44 PM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: Zeppelin

well then by your analogy if a cancer patient decides to refuse any further treatment, are they then committing suicide? chemo could prolong their life, maybe by hours, by days, by weeks, maybe months, but at what cost, my own aunt is still taking chemo even though she is now terminal, she has inoperable tumours, but she's going to reach a point when it is no longer worth it, the chemo that is, is she committing suicide because she didn't die trying every possible medical treatment until her dying breath, I don't think so


I've said this before and I'll say it again, I got no quarrel with the miracles of modern science, if I can be fixed, go to town, if I get cancer or whatever, I'll fight it tooth and nail, but I have every right to define what quality of life is for me, I'd prefer to get the big lethal dose of morphine when the time comes if I were my aunt but I'm not sure that is allowed in Canada (I think of poor Sue Rodriquez)- you can give it to a cat or a dog, but not me to end my suffering, thanks NOT!



249 posted on 03/23/2005 6:37:15 PM PST by llama hunter
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To: Wolfstar
I was thinking about this very same thing today.

The flip side is medical advances..think premature babies; just 40 years ago babies that today are routinely saved, (and not even considered as extremely premature), often died. Should we not have tried to save them?

We push the medical envelope and gain knowledge and advances..some good, but some very bad.

But if we stop trying, or for example..decide like the Peter Singers of the world that all spina bifida babies should die....how will we ever cure spina bifida?

We can pray. and hope that our men and women in medicine do the same.
250 posted on 03/23/2005 6:37:40 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: teenyelliott
And I really don't care if someone hates me because I would rather be selfless.

Same here.

251 posted on 03/23/2005 6:37:41 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: feefee

Please take a look at some video at TERRISFIGHT.ORG and see Terri respond to a doctor's command to open her eyes. Thanks!


252 posted on 03/23/2005 6:39:49 PM PST by Scarlet7
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To: llama hunter

Whoa! haha I totally agree with you. No arguments here. There's a point where it's just not worth it. my analogy is actually a pretty poor one to compare that to. but no, letting go is not suicide. i never said that, sorry if thats how it was interpreted.


253 posted on 03/23/2005 6:39:57 PM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: Mo1
LOL!!

My hubby said, "Don't say things like that!"

254 posted on 03/23/2005 6:40:33 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: Hildy
About seven years ago my mother suffered a stroke. While my mom was unconcious in the ICU, and thus unable to speak for herself, my father was pressured persistently and nastily to sign a DNR and decline to place my mother on a respirator. Being a staunch defender of life and a very smart man he refused and demanded any and all measures be taken to save my mom.

A week later my mom walked out of the hospital with no permanent mental or physical impairment. She passed away about six months ago, but in that seven years she basked in the love of her grandchildren, including my 16-month old daughter. A child she never would have met had the medical experts had their way. No one can say with certainty what Terri wants or what level of conciousness she posesses and no one has the right to kill her.

255 posted on 03/23/2005 6:42:04 PM PST by garv
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To: the Deejay

OFF TOPIC

Jim Moran is going off on Hannity Now!


256 posted on 03/23/2005 6:45:50 PM PST by Mo1 (Why can't the public see Terry - What are they afraid of ??)
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To: Hildy

Honestly Hildy, I would pick the second one, and have actually. I have no way of knowing the the quality of life a person in that position is actually living, and I do believe the will to live is strong in most of creation under any circumstances. There are those who wake up after years in comas and knew what was going on all around them the entire time. Life is life. That is exactly how I feel, honestly. Thanks for asking! :-)


257 posted on 03/23/2005 6:49:06 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: andysandmikesmom

do not apologize, your post is very insightful, you are sharing a great depth of life experience with this very matter....all I can say is wow

this is a hard issue for everyone to deal with at the best of times and if nothing else comes out of this tragedy, it has forced people to talk about this issue and living wills as it applies to themselves

it is interesting that your husband was honest and said he didn't think he could respect your wishes, this happens more than we think, and you took that further step to appoint your son

the reality is everyone has a different opinion on this difficult subject and, eh hem, fellow freepers, everyone's opinion ought to be respected

my own opinion is my opinion on the subject matter has not changed, I would have not wanted to live in a PVS when I was 26 and if I were terminally ill, I'd like the option to get an injection to take me away peacefully......

and now having seen loved ones suffer and die, I am more convinced, not less......


258 posted on 03/23/2005 6:50:10 PM PST by llama hunter
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To: Hildy
When is rehab over. After how long do you say, nothing is going to work. One year, four years, five years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. When does it end? If we go down this road, be prepared to fork over 75% of your income in taxes, because that's what it'll take.

Hildy, your original vanity said, "Answer this question honestly". so i did....I answered it honestly. Since you seem to want an argument...not just an honest answer....I'll bow out now. You'll not change my mind and I'm sure I won't change yours....and that's fine....we just see things differently.

259 posted on 03/23/2005 6:51:55 PM PST by ZinGirl
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To: Zeppelin

Thank you for that clarification, very helpful.


260 posted on 03/23/2005 7:00:20 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservative & Rational..what a concept!)
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