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Rather's "Unmerciful Public Flogging"
Belmont Club ^ | 14 September 2004 | Wretchard

Posted on 09/13/2004 9:44:48 PM PDT by GRANGER

Tuesday, September 14, 2004

The End

The Washington Post has run an article which practically humiliates CBS and Dan Rather. It begins with a repudiation of the Killian memos by the 60 Minutes chief document expert, Marcel Matley. The Post then pronounces on the documents themselves: they are fake.

A detailed comparison by The Washington Post of memos obtained by CBS News with authenticated documents on Bush's National Guard service reveals dozens of inconsistencies, ranging from conflicting military terminology to different word-processing techniques.

The analysis shows that half a dozen Killian memos released earlier by the military were written with a standard typewriter using different formatting techniques from those characteristic of computer-generated documents. CBS's Killian memos bear numerous signs that are more consistent with modern-day word-processing programs, particularly Microsoft Word.

It continues unmercifully by citing the evidence of electronic typesetting expert Joseph M. Newcomer who declares "I am personally 100 percent sure that they are fake". The Washington Post goes on to detail numerous factual and formatting errors in the CBS documents, mentioning among other things, word processing characteristics, wrong addresses, styles, inconsistencies in dates before introducing the additional repudiation of key 60 Minutes source Bobby Hodges. Deserted by its original document expert, CBS is then reported to rely on a new consultant called Bill Glennon who says 'IBM electric typewriters in use in 1972 could produce superscripts and proportional spacing similar to those used in the disputed documents' before admitting that he was 'not a document expert, could not vouch for the memos' authenticity and only examined them online because CBS did not give him copies when asked to visit the network's offices.' To set against poor Mr. Glennon, the Post enters the contradictory testimony of the Adobe Company into the lists.

Thomas Phinney, program manager for fonts for the Adobe company in Seattle, which helped to develop the modern Times New Roman font, disputed Glennon's statement to CBS. He said "fairly extensive testing" had convinced him that the fonts and formatting used in the CBS documents could not have been produced by the most sophisticated IBM typewriters in use in 1972, including the Selectric and the Executive. He said the two systems used fonts of different widths.

It is an unmerciful public flogging; the kind one would not wish upon a donkey. Whether or not Stanley Kurtz's theory (see the previous post) is correct, it is hard to see how CBS can maintain their story a single day longer.


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To: GRANGER
"it is hard to see how CBS can maintain their story a single day longer."

Clinton maintained his lying story until the results of the DNA came out. Mr. Rather can do maintain his story forever because he doesn't have to release the originals, (the paper equivalent of the blue dress).

21 posted on 09/13/2004 10:06:00 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: GRANGER
Let me tell you something.. it's a letter... doubleyou.. doubleyou stands for WRATH! WRATH! WRATH! ... Dan WRATHer
22 posted on 09/13/2004 10:07:25 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Truth and liberty: The Battle Hymn of Free Republic)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
the warning that applied to the old media was never get into an argument with people who buy ink by the barrel.

the warning that should apply to the new media is never get into an argument with people who lounge around all day in their pajamas looking for other people to get into flame wars with.

23 posted on 09/13/2004 10:08:19 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"Dan Rather thought he was unleashing Watergate. What he got was Waterloo."

Aye, and we're Wellington!

The AWB Has Expired - Gun Owners Have Won Again For All Americans!

24 posted on 09/13/2004 10:08:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Post Toasties
Let there be no end to the public flogging of Rather & Co. until they unconditionally capitulate.

Capitulation isn't enough. I want him to publicly turn on his source.

25 posted on 09/13/2004 10:08:29 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (cong rec 27.3.86 jk speech doubleplusungood malreported cambodia rectify)
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To: GRANGER

As Jackie Gleason used to say: "HOW SWEET IT IS!"


26 posted on 09/13/2004 10:08:31 PM PDT by jporcus
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Dan Blather needs a good flogging, and he needs to stay in stocks in the public square so that the little kids can throw rocks at him for a few weeks. I think that is what it would take for Mr. Blather to be shaken from his "wonderland fantasy" where he views himself above us all.

Dan Blather and the Elite Liberal Media think that we are obligated to believe whatever garbage they spew. Those days are OVER, and Mr. Blather needs a good whooping and sent to bed without his dinner.

27 posted on 09/13/2004 10:08:36 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: GRANGER

If you earn a flogging and it is delivered, is it still unmerciful?


28 posted on 09/13/2004 10:09:12 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: GRANGER

I think a well-crafted WH response, perhaps by Scott McClellan, something to the effect that the White House need not respond to fraudulent documents or crude forgeries, would go over well right about now.


29 posted on 09/13/2004 10:09:27 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: GRANGER

THe old Soviet Union collapsed (notwithstanding President Reagan) under
an avalanche of lies.

Every factory producing something (and sometimes producing nothing) doctored
its records to show that it had met its government mandated goals. To do less
meant Siberia for it's managers. "Fake it and hope you make it" was their motto.

Poor CBS is trapped in the Soviet model. It must fabricate or risk losing the
small base of liberal viewers to which it clings for advertising revenue.

As with the Soviets, the weight of reality will become just too much to bear and
CBS is shortly to join the ranks of false media exiled to the Gulag.


30 posted on 09/13/2004 10:10:00 PM PDT by plangent
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To: GRANGER

Mmmmmm maybe these documents arent real....


31 posted on 09/13/2004 10:10:27 PM PDT by woofie (This document was generated in 2004 by a computer)
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To: AmericanVictory
I don't see how this will go past tomorrow morning. You have to look at this combined with the gentle spanking administered by The NY Times.. that is a piece that just decimates the story today on CBS. Its not as blunt, but I believe its an appeal directly to CBS Management to deal. NY Times cannot get on high horse because of their own troubles, so they are compassionately trying to say.. face it now.
32 posted on 09/13/2004 10:12:26 PM PDT by dalight
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To: GRANGER

Where's the Wash Post story he mentions? I can't seem to find it.


33 posted on 09/13/2004 10:13:06 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: vbmoneyspender
the warning that should apply to the new media is never get into an argument with people who lounge around all day in their pajamas looking for other people to get into flame wars with.

LOL!

34 posted on 09/13/2004 10:15:19 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Ronin

Here is the Washington Post thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1215197/posts

Here is the NY Times thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1215243/posts


35 posted on 09/13/2004 10:15:26 PM PDT by dalight
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To: vbmoneyspender
never get into an argument with people who lounge around all day in their pajamas looking for other people to get into flame wars with.

Well put.

36 posted on 09/13/2004 10:17:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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To: GRANGER
Damn, its about time somebody put it ALL together! I was really getting tired of experts in the media, picking their own little area of specialty, and pronouncing the memos "fake". I am so glad a mainstream media outlet has finally debunked on all fronts!

As for SeeBS (I just love that!) the horse is out and running, and the barn door is off the hinges!
37 posted on 09/13/2004 10:20:41 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,...for without victory there is no survival. -Churchill)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
[ Dan Rather thought he was unleashing Watergate. What he got was Waterloo. ]

Beautiful....

38 posted on 09/13/2004 10:21:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider
Dan Blather needs a good flogging

I'd settle for a bad flogging and some more great blogging....

39 posted on 09/13/2004 10:26:24 PM PDT by freebilly (Elect the Vietnam Vet in '04-- Vote Jane Fonda....)
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To: hosepipe
You are too kind, good sirrah/madam

I pithily opined, but I neglected to give my name and town.:)
40 posted on 09/13/2004 10:26:30 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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