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If Vietnam is the Campaign Focus, John Kerry Wins
Pastabagel.com ^ | August 27, 2004 | PastaBagel

Posted on 08/27/2004 8:02:23 AM PDT by PastaBagel

There is no single issue that is as much a loser for Republicans than the facts of Kerry’s service in Vietnam, but it’s not for the reasons that you think. In fact, reason plays no part in it at all.

Vietnam is about feelings, and all of them negative. Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia. And on issues of feelings, Democrats win every time...Read on


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To: PastaBagel
John Kerry wins on the Vietnam issue, no matter what the truth of his service is, because the message he is communicating is I had my Vietnam experience

Wrong. He loses, because the message is character. He's a prevaricating opportunist with no core values, and this "Vietnam" thing is only the opening act. The hearings, his Senate years, etc are yet to be dissected. Its all good, so far.

21 posted on 08/27/2004 8:15:26 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: PastaBagel

You have the credibility of gnat when trying to tell Bush-Cheney how to handle the Vietnam issue when first of all they did not start the Vietnam War issue and secondly, they are not involved with getting out the truth by the Swifties.

Why don't you go preach to the RATs that MoveOn.Org is not doing any good and we should be talking about issues?


22 posted on 08/27/2004 8:16:12 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Win Another One for the Gipper!)
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To: PastaBagel

Are you familiar with a certain freeper Courage by chance ?


23 posted on 08/27/2004 8:17:20 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (World Leaders for Kerry - Saddam, Kim Jong Il, Aristide)
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To: UsnDadof8
Are you familiar with a certain freeper Courage by chance

Courage seems to becoming quite a legend. Last night he had Bush in the lead for the first time.

24 posted on 08/27/2004 8:18:46 AM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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To: kellynla
No I didn't serve in Vietnam. Neither did most Voters. Neither did Bush or Cheney. By making "Did you serve in Vietnam" a litmus test you play to Kerry's strengths because he did serve. But KErry flips it by saying he gets to criticize the war because he did serve. And, again, did swift boat story make you change your vote from Kerry to Bush? And despite all his failings, Kerry has within 2% of the support of Bush, who has no credibility problems, strong leadership, and is the incumbent. So explain to me why he's been able to get all this support if his credibility on Vietnam is suspect, if he dishonored to troops, if he did all of the things that I agree with you that he did that are reprehensible. Because these issues play to reason, and logic. But as I said, Vietnam, for most people in the sixties and born after who never served over there, has nothing to do with logic. It's feeling.
25 posted on 08/27/2004 8:19:05 AM PDT by PastaBagel
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To: PastaBagel
And this has been after the best-Vietnam based attacks in the arsenal.

Oh man. I'm not wasting any more time on someone so I'll informed. Haven't you been watching the onion get peeled the past few weeks? And we are still not near the center. the worse for Kerry is to come.

The fear coming from Kerry and the Democrats on the Vietnam issue, Kerry's issue, is as significant and as real as I've ever seen. They are terrified. Why? Stick around and find out.

26 posted on 08/27/2004 8:20:13 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: PastaBagel
"Vietnam is about feelings, and all of them negative. Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia. And on issues of feelings, Democrats win every time."

No, it's about honesty, character, honor, patriotism and trustworthiness. On these issues Kerry loses!

27 posted on 08/27/2004 8:22:57 AM PDT by daylate-dollarshort
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To: KJacob
. Last night he had Bush in the lead for the first time.

Uncharitable as I am at times, I am likely to view that sort of in the same vein as Kerry being very pro-war, until he saw how popular the very anti-war Dean was getting.

28 posted on 08/27/2004 8:23:18 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (World Leaders for Kerry - Saddam, Kim Jong Il, Aristide)
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To: PastaBagel
This is just another variation of the "Move On" theme, and the score so far is:

Swift Boat Vets for Truth: 1,000,000
MoveOn.org: 0

29 posted on 08/27/2004 8:30:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The article is wrong

The article is more than wrong, it's total

There are millions of Vietnam Vets
just now finding out Kerry was one of the commies that prolonged the war,
caused many more American KIA, and was a ring leader of the despicable treatment of returning vets.

30 posted on 08/27/2004 8:30:58 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Exactly.

This issue has so many aspects.

1) Did Kerry lie? Anyone who has listened to O'Neill or read "Not fit.." can't really have any doubts about that, but even those who aren't interested enough to find out the facts will hear that there is something fishy about the Vietnam story.

2) Then there is Kerry's post-war activities. Non-deniable and when they are connected to the POW's lethal for his whole camapaign.

3) And finally we have Kerry's handling of the whole issue:
"Bring it on" on Monday and by Tuesday "no mas, no mas".

And this is without president Bush having to soil his hands at all. Instead he can stand tall above the fight.

To me it sounds like a winner.


31 posted on 08/27/2004 8:31:54 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: PastaBagel

> ... but in my estimation Republicans are fighting a losing battle ...

Suppose your estimate is mistaken?

And it's not "Republicans" fighting this battle, it's a
mix of Dems & Reps called the SBVFT.

But keep spreading sunshine for the Dem base.
As I said on another thread ...

... putting out this {Kerry's polls are great}
propaganda for the consumption of the Democrat
grass roots, there won't be any groundswell to
replace Kerry with someone actually electable ...

... until it's far too late.

Works for me.


32 posted on 08/27/2004 8:33:33 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: PastaBagel

Actually the polls just dont show that. Kerry had experienced a 9 point swing in arizona since the swift boat vets started similarly Bush is now leading in the ABC, Harris, Gallup, Rasmussen, NBC the list goes on..two weeks ago Kerry was leading in all but the Gallup. Kerry was leading in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania two weeks ago..Bush is now leading in both those states. Two weeks ago Kerry was ahead of Bush in vet polling now Bush is winning in that poll by a significant margin. something like 47 to 39 percent.

Regardless of the margin of error in these polls when taken as an overall pattern it shows a significant shift in favor of Bush. Kerry's camp isnt screaming about sensoring the swift vets and begging to do a debate a week and talk about "the issues" because they are winning. They know they are in trouble over this which is why they want to change the subject.


33 posted on 08/27/2004 8:35:08 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: PastaBagel

Maybe you should spend a little more time learning the facts and a little less time with your inane comments...

KERRY LIED ABOUT HIS SERVICE IN NAM AND KERRY LIED BEFORE THE SENATE COMMITTEE IN 1971
instead of medals, he should have been indicted for treason!

and I won't even get into his antiwar activities and his lack of any substantive, not to mention wrong-headed results while in the Senate for the past TWENTY FRIGGIN' YEARS!!!

HE IS UNFIT TO BE POTUS
and that's the bottom line!


gezzzzzzzzz are you thick as a brick or what!!!


34 posted on 08/27/2004 8:36:02 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: EternalHope

No way does Kerry withdraw..he will go down in flames before that happens..he is an egomaniac and he has been waiting for this shot his whole life..even if they had pictures of him do a gay porn snuff film he still wouldnt drop out.


35 posted on 08/27/2004 8:38:26 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: Prysson
even if they had pictures of him do a gay porn snuff film he still wouldnt drop out.

That would give him a bump upward with hardcore demoncRATs.

36 posted on 08/27/2004 8:45:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'm guessing no one actually read the article, which is fine. Let me point out some observations. First, the emotional reaction to what I wrote proves Vietnam is an emotional lightning rod. Second, most people know Kerry is lying, and they don't care. For the same reason they didn't care about Clinton. The culture has given everyone a pass on vietnam no matter what they did. It doesn't matter whether you think that is right or wrong. If a draft dodger and womanizer got 46% of the vote against two challengers, what do you think a veteran who fought is going to get? Third, I want Bush to win. He should talk about 9-11 and rekindle the feelings people had about him in the days after, when he had 90% support. He can talk about leadership before the obstinance of the UN. Talk about the economy. But for goodness sake don't allow this election to be dominated by debate about the other guy's rehashing of the only war america lost while we are in the middle of another war and at precisely the time that many voters' courage and resolve is beginning to waiver. Bush needs to reassure these voters, and get them back in his camp, not waste media bandwidth discussing whether or not KErry caught shrapnel. Kerry wants to talk about Vietnam, because he knows it is a winner for him. Bush should campaign on Kerry's terms, so he should make Vietnam a non-issue.
37 posted on 08/27/2004 8:46:49 AM PDT by PastaBagel
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To: PastaBagel

Of course, I meant "Bush should NOT campaign on Kerry's terms, so he should make Vietnam a non-issue." Typo.


38 posted on 08/27/2004 8:49:24 AM PDT by PastaBagel
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To: PastaBagel

Just curious. If it is your article from your web page, why excerpt? Why not print the whole thing?


39 posted on 08/27/2004 8:50:01 AM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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To: PastaBagel

Just curious. If it is your article from your web page, why excerpt? Why not post the whole thing?


40 posted on 08/27/2004 8:50:09 AM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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