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If Vietnam is the Campaign Focus, John Kerry Wins
Pastabagel.com ^ | August 27, 2004 | PastaBagel

Posted on 08/27/2004 8:02:23 AM PDT by PastaBagel

There is no single issue that is as much a loser for Republicans than the facts of Kerry’s service in Vietnam, but it’s not for the reasons that you think. In fact, reason plays no part in it at all.

Vietnam is about feelings, and all of them negative. Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia. And on issues of feelings, Democrats win every time...Read on


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The Swift Boat controversy is the story of the week, but in my estimation Republicans are fighting a losing battle. It doesn't matter whether Kerry lied about his medals (except to people who aren't going to vote for him anyway).

The article is about why Kerry wins as long as the national dialogue is about Vietnam.

1 posted on 08/27/2004 8:02:23 AM PDT by PastaBagel
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The article is about why Kerry wins as long as the national dialogue is about Vietnam.

The article is wrong.

2 posted on 08/27/2004 8:03:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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I haven't read it yet, but it appears to me that Kerry is getting creamed by the discussion regarding Vietnam.


3 posted on 08/27/2004 8:04:39 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The article is very wrong. But maybe Kerry's people will listen anyway.


4 posted on 08/27/2004 8:05:08 AM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: PastaBagel
Vietnam is about feelings, and all of them negative. Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia. And on issues of feelings, Democrats win every time

I disagree. Vietnam is the filter through which liberals view American foreign policy and American use of military force. They can pretend they are moderates until Vietnam comes up - and then, when confronted with the issue as to whether Kerry should apologize for his antiwar activities just after he left Vietnam, they morph into their true antiwar and antiAmerican personas. Leaving the swing voter to think "Can I possibly trust these idiots with national security?"

5 posted on 08/27/2004 8:05:28 AM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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The article is about why Kerry wins as long as the national dialogue is about Vietnam.

I disagree. The anti-war protests (which Kerry was right in the middle) leaves a bad taste with a lot of people. If you do not believe me challenge Kerry to bring Jane Fonda on the campaign trail with him.

6 posted on 08/27/2004 8:06:24 AM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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Thats nonsense. Kerry is dropping in the polls like a rocks and all we have been talking about is vietnam for the past two weeks. Kerry is desperately trying to get the topic OFF vietnam and back onto some issues because its killing him in the polls. This is just so much wishful thinking.


7 posted on 08/27/2004 8:06:27 AM PDT by Prysson
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I totally disagree. I think the Vietnam issue has raised the spectre that John Kerry is an opportunist and a liar. The mainstream press has actually been lying to protect Kerry and smear the SwiftVets. Don't think that other people haven't been noticing that.

But Bush isn't driving this. Bush is going to go to the convention and tell America what he's going to do in the next four years. Then his campaign commercials start and he's going to ask American, "What does John F. Kerry have to show for his 20 years in the Senate?" The answer? Nothing. That's why he didn't talk about it at the DNC convention. And with that, he's done.

8 posted on 08/27/2004 8:07:00 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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I disagree.

Example: My next door neighbor has never voted Republican in his life, and will never do so. This rabid democrat tells me that if Kerry cannot refute the charges that he lied about his medals, he will simply not vote at all.

He also tells me that it will never come to that because Kerry will be forced to withdraw instead. I think he's right.


9 posted on 08/27/2004 8:07:30 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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If it's about FEELINGS, then Americas VN Vets are FEELING curious at the amount of medals won by Kerry in 4.5 months including 3 Purps that got HIM OUT of VN but did cause him one days loss of service.

Feelings about why he wont sign a 180.

Feelings about why Kerry has a dozen supporters and the Swifties have HUNDREDS against Kerry.

Feeling about why an officer who are supposed to LEAD by example instead FLED for cover in the US.

I've got a bad feeling, a bad feeling for Kerry the Traitor.


10 posted on 08/27/2004 8:07:46 AM PDT by funkywbr
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It doesn't matter whether Kerry lied about his medals (except to people who aren't going to vote for him anyway).

In other words, Democrats don't care if someone finds film of him raping a woman on the White House lawn in broad daylight, he will still get their vote.

Where have I heard THAT before?

11 posted on 08/27/2004 8:07:58 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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The article is wrong.

The author is a dimwit!

Kerry is the jerk who brought back the Vietnam War to prime time!

Kerry is the one Americans will blame for the old nightmares.

The backlash will sink him.

BIG TIME

12 posted on 08/27/2004 8:08:25 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (3 Purple Hearts? No blood? No Way!!)
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The author wasn't there. Few people will change their vote as a result of this, but lots will be motivated or discouraged by it. It will alter the turnout.


13 posted on 08/27/2004 8:08:31 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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Vietnam is about feelings, and all of them negative. Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia. And on issues of feelings, Democrats win every time.

You left out a few: Honor, pride, love of Country, commitment and determination to name a few. Those are the feeling I still have from Vietnam, so no, the Democrats don't win every time.

14 posted on 08/27/2004 8:09:44 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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The polls I see still show Bush and Kerry within the margin of error. And this has been after the best-Vietnam based attacks in the arsenal. I'm not stumping for Kerry, I'm trying to explain why republicans need to change the focus if they are going to win.

In other words, did a statistically significant percentage of voters change from Kerry to bush because of the swift boat thing? I doubt it.


15 posted on 08/27/2004 8:10:12 AM PDT by PastaBagel
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The article is wrong.

I agree! I think a lot of folks would like to forget about Viet Nam, but no one has, and no one will. It remains and will remain an important issue, because it goes a long way to define modern politicians.

Men like Kerry aren't admired so much, as they are used. The leftist who hate the military applaud John Kerry not because they are proud of his military accomplishments(?), but because he gets them where they want to be: in control.

Some folks want a pawn in the White House, but why would any decent folks want a man like that?

It's starting look like the Swift Boat Vets are Bush's main hope at re-election. Let's hope this issue doesn't get drowned out before November!

16 posted on 08/27/2004 8:11:59 AM PDT by HoustonTech
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Did you serve in Viet Nam?
No?

Well then it's quite understandable why you could be so ignorant...

It's about credibility!

Kerry lied about his service and he lied before the Senate committee in 1971.

Kerry has less credibility than a screen door on a submarine!

The American people insulted veterans by electing and reelecting a draft dodger.
I hope that they don't add insult to injury by elected a lying traitor POTUS!

Good day!


17 posted on 08/27/2004 8:12:16 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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I heard that Pasta and Bagels affected brain waves but I never had any proof until now.


18 posted on 08/27/2004 8:13:32 AM PDT by hflynn
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You are dead wrong. Nice of you to show up and post from your own website. (sarcasm)

You forget there are many Americans, including myself, all across this Country who have been waiting years for payback against against the anti-war movement led by Fonda, Kerry, Ramsey Clarke and the rest of the lowlifes.

This is our time to pay them back for what they did to our men and women who served this Nation proudly and were treated like crap by the leftist, socialist anti-American protestors like Kerry. I will never forget and never will forgive those anti-war protestors for what I witnessed from the POW's who came to our hospital at Wright-Patt. They were were treated for the torture suffered at the hands of the Vietnamese captures because of people like Kerry. Not only did they receive physical torture but mental torture as well and lowlifes like John Kerry were a party to that torture of our POWs as if they had been right there doing the actual act IMO.

Scum like Kerry and the rest of the protestors deserve nothing but our contempt and we intend to not only continue to voice that contempt but to make sure on November 2nd, we put one final nail in the Vietnam Anti-War Protestors once and for all by defeating John Kerry and his band of anti-war protestors.

19 posted on 08/27/2004 8:14:14 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Win Another One for the Gipper!)
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I never really listen to anything from a site called PastaBagel. Now BagelPasta! That's a good site.

Vietnam is about feelings, and all of them negative. Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia. And on issues of feelings, Democrats win every time...

Bunk! Those feelings have been taken out on the wrong people for 30 years. That's being corrected. Turns out the guy mostly responsible for the Vietnam Vets being trated like crap was John Kerry. Who lied about his 3 months in Vietnam and then to Congress and has continued to push his fairy tales for years.

Sorry there pardner, but John Kerry is becoming the target for all the "Rage, sadness, loss, frustration, cynicism, distrust, paranoia" over Vietnam. And rightly so. And he's a great target! A physically ugly metrosexual rich boy that thinks he is John F. Kennedy. And he is not JFK. Which is another issue in the back of people's minds and one more reason out of so so many that Kerry is going to get his clock cleaned.

20 posted on 08/27/2004 8:14:56 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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