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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000

In Cobb County, Ga., controversy erupted this spring when school board officials decided to affix "disclaimer stickers" to science textbooks, alerting students that "evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things."

The stickers were the Cobb County District School Board's response to intelligent design theory, which holds that the complexity of DNA and the diversity of life forms on our planet and beyond can be explained only by an extra-natural intelligent agent. The ID movement -- reminiscent of creationism but more nuanced and harder to label -- has been quietly gaining momentum in a number of states for several years, especially Georgia and Ohio.

Stickers on textbooks are only the latest evidence of the ID movement's successes to date, though Cobb County officials did soften their position somewhat in September following a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. In a subsequent policy statement, officials said the biological theory of evolution is a "disputed view" that must be "balanced" in the classroom, taking into account other, religious teachings.

Surely, few would begrudge ID advocates their views or the right to discuss the concept as part of religious studies. At issue, rather, is whether ID theory, so far unproven by scientific facts, should be served to students on the same platter with the well-supported theory of evolution.

How the Cobb County episode will affect science students remains uncertain since, as the National Center for Science Education noted, the amended policy statement included "mixed signals."

But it's clear that the ID movement is quickly emerging as one of the more significant threats to U.S. science education, fueled by a sophisticated marketing campaign based on a three-pronged penetration of the scientific community, educators and the general public.

In Ohio, the state's education board on Oct. 14 passed a unanimous though preliminary vote to keep ID theory out of the state's science classrooms. But the board's ruling left the door open for local school districts to present ID theory together with science and suggested that scientists should "continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory."

In fact, even while the state-level debate continued, the Patrick Henry Local School District, based in Columbus, passed a motion this June to support "the idea of intelligent design being included as appropriate in classroom discussions in addition to other scientific theories."

Undaunted by tens of thousands of e-mails it has already received on the topic, the state's education board is now gamely inviting further public comment through November. In December, Ohio's Board of Education will vote to conclusively determine whether alternatives to evolution should be included in new guidelines that spell out what students need to know about science at different grade levels.

Meanwhile, ID theorists reportedly have been active in Missouri, Kansas, New Mexico, New Jersey and other states as well as Ohio and Georgia.

What do scientists think of all this? We have great problems with the claim that ID is a scientific theory or a science-based alternative to evolutionary theory. We don't question its religious or philosophical underpinnings. That's not our business. But there is no scientific evidence underlying ID theory.

No relevant research has been done; no papers have been published in scientific journals. Because it has no science base, we believe that ID theory should be excluded from science curricula in schools.

In fact, the Board of Directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the largest general scientific society in the world, passed a resolution this month urging policy-makers to keep intelligent design theory out of U.S. science classrooms.

Noting that the United States has promised to "leave no child behind," the AAAS Board found that intelligent design theory -- if presented within science courses as factually based -- is likely to confuse American schoolchildren and undermine the integrity of U.S. science education. At a time when standards-based learning and performance assessments are paramount, children would be better served by keeping scientific information separate from religious concepts.

Certainly, American society supports and encourages a broad range of viewpoints and the scientific community is no exception. While this diversity enriches the educational experience for students, science and conceptual belief systems should not be co-mingled, as ID proponents have repeatedly proposed.

The ID argument that random mutations in nature and natural selection, for example, are too complex for scientific explanation is an interesting -- and for some, highly compelling -- philosophical or theological concept. Unfortunately, it's being put forth as a scientifically based alternative to the theory of biological evolution, and it isn't based on science. In sum, there's no data to back it up, and no way of scientifically testing the validity of the ideas proposed by ID advocates.

The quality of U.S. science education is at stake here. We live in an era when science and technology are central to every issue facing our society -- individual and national security, health care, economic prosperity, employment opportunities.

Children who lack an appropriate grounding in science and mathematics, and who can't discriminate what is and isn't evidence, are doomed to lag behind their well-educated counterparts. America's science classrooms are certainly no place to mix church and state.

Alan I. Leshner is CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and executive publisher of the journal Science; www.aaas.org


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To: goodseedhomeschool
"PU... It Stinks!"

Ok, that was weak, but hear me out. PU is most assuredly a diploma mill, a sham, a scam, a joke. There is no faculty! There are no classes! There are no real course outlines! Those of us who went to accredited schools, such as yourself, should be upset when someone else misrepresents himself as a graduate, when indeed, they are not.

The real question is why does Hovind bother? Having the fake moniker attached to his name does him no favors, gives him no greater relevance, nor does it increase his respect in the scientific world. He could drop it entirely and his followers will continue to follow, and his (many, many more) detractors will continue to laugh away is absurdist notions of living plesiosaurs.

My guess is that he is a megalomaniac who craves the attention (even if it's negative) his foolish games garner him. No one with a 6th grade education from any school seriously believes the Loch Ness Monster is a real live dinosaur. It's attention grabbing at it's worst, and certainly is not worthy of my respect.

I worked hard for my bachelors and masters degrees. It irks me that this clown pretends he's done the same. Read his "thesis." It's a joke, no matter how much you wish to believe what he says. The least he could have done is spell properly and, oh... I don't know... finish it perhaps?

But PU got his check, which is all they cared about, and sent him his xeroxed piece of toilet paper in the mail. And now he can speak at his impossible "700 times per year" pace that he claims to maintain.
1,161 posted on 06/25/2003 2:05:52 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Junior
YOu guys are all nice and I enjoyed posting again. I think I will go take a dip in the pool. It's hot today and my pool is looking so good right now. I'll be back tonight. Have a great evening everyone.
1,162 posted on 06/25/2003 2:07:07 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: whattajoke
300 times a year. :). He really does. It does not bother me because I just don't think about the labels when he or anyone speaks their mind. I never was interested in science in school, just accounting and business. When I discovered his seminars, I loved them. I took these 4 couses his ministry offers too. I learned more good science, and I am not just talking about the evolution subject, from those courses. He is a great teacher. The courses were very good. It was "distance". It is called CSE 101, 102, 103, 104. Each one has 6 tapes and 8-9 quizzes, you have to read a book and write an 850 word synopsis for each one and take a final exam for each one. The books I read were, "Seven Men who Ruled the World from the grave, The Young Earth, New Age Bible versions, and the hard one was Walt Brown's In the Beginning"
He just has a great style of teaching. I love his style.
1,163 posted on 06/25/2003 2:15:59 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
Time to go swimming. That pool looks good. Have a blessed day everyone. :)
1,164 posted on 06/25/2003 2:20:23 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
This in in your opinion that AIG has more integrity. I hear a very different story form my peers. I know exactly how that whole got started and you might be surprised to know ALL THE DETAILS.

I think you are doing what you accuse us of doing -- confusing credentials with substance. Give us a specific example of a false argument from AIG.

1,165 posted on 06/25/2003 2:21:55 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Reread my post. There is more to the little tiff between AIG and DR Hovind that meets the eye. That is what I am saying. Follow the money. Gotta scoot. See you later. :)
1,166 posted on 06/25/2003 2:23:59 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: Junior; PatrickHenry; whattajoke; js1138
Just found this website and thought I might share it with you.
That's quite some interesting stuff there IMO.

http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind

1,167 posted on 06/25/2003 2:30:02 PM PDT by BMCDA (The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. - R. A. Heinlein)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
From Hovind's own mouth:

"My 250-page dissertation dealt with the subject of the effects of teaching evolution on the students in our public school system. My 20-year study of the creation evolutionism subject led me to start Creation Science Evangelism in 1991. I now speak over 700 times each year on the subject, have had 40+ debates and have been a guest on over 3500 radio and television talk shows."

See that, 700 times a year! Amazing.

Of course he's a good speaker. so is John Edward. so is Duane Gish. They have to be to peddle the nonsense they do.
1,168 posted on 06/25/2003 2:31:57 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: goodseedhomeschool
I hear some of you making fun of Dr. Hovind's dissertaion but could some of you link a post to yours for our enjoyment?

Hang on a sec. I don't doubt your sincerity but there is a sharp distinction between "making fun of" and "legitimately critiquing" a dissertation. You appear to believe that criticism of Hovind is due to jealousy or fear or some kind of personal vendetta on our part while rejecting out of hand the possibility that Hovind may not be what he claims.

The link I posted previously (a repeat of one that appeared previously on the thread) demonstrates that the document Hovind claims as his dissertation does not meet the criteria of a PhD-quality thesis.

As I said, I'm sure you are sincere in your admiration and respect for the man. Please just remember to bear in mind the fact that in the pursuit of knowledge, one must always be willing to reevaluate one's conceptions when presented with new information. That is true for people on both sides of the debate.

So find out for yourself whether the cirticisms are valid. Talk to people who have written and defended a thesis. Visit your nearest university and read a couple. Then judge for yourself if Hovind's measures up.

1,169 posted on 06/25/2003 2:34:19 PM PDT by Condorman
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To: BMCDA
Lots of goodies in that link, thanks. This one is a pretty funny (and apparently Hoving believed it) April Fools prank.
1,170 posted on 06/25/2003 2:41:02 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
oops, here's the real link: http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html
1,171 posted on 06/25/2003 2:43:10 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
LOL! That's a good one!
Bookmarked ;)
1,172 posted on 06/25/2003 2:49:22 PM PDT by BMCDA (The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. - R. A. Heinlein)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
I just wanted to say thank you for your demeanor on this thread. You have been all alone in your position with a rather large group adverse.

That is always a difficult situation - but you have been kind-hearted and even-tempered throughout. That is a sign of the Spirit, so Praise God!!!

I have no input to the debate since I've not studied either Hovind or AiG. But it is a joy to watch you and I just wanted you to know.

1,173 posted on 06/25/2003 3:03:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: BMCDA
Very nice. I swear, Hovind is doing more to discredit Christians than any number of atheists could ever accomplish. The devil must be dancing with glee every time Hovind's name is mentioned...
1,174 posted on 06/25/2003 3:08:42 PM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: Alamo-Girl
Hi Alamo-girl. You really made my day with your kind words. Thank you for the uplifting in my spirit. Praise God, He is always good all the time. :)
1,175 posted on 06/25/2003 3:10:46 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: Junior
Hovind is doing more to discredit Christians than any number of atheists could ever accomplish.

This is absolutely true. Well said.

1,176 posted on 06/25/2003 3:12:55 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
Most of the people I have spoken with have said that Dr. Hovind has done more to make stonger their faith since viewing his seminars. I think many folks appreciate him more than this board lets on. He has those who diagree with him, but I don't know How in the world his giving substantial data to back up the Bible would discredit Christians, at least not in their brothers and sisters in Christ's eyes anyway. Christians do not seek man's approval but that of God's, so I am not sure what the post meant. BTW. The swim was very nice, it felt so good to dive in. Did I ever tell you about Dr. Hovind's favorite dinosaur? He calls it "blondasaurus", lol. He has this plastic dino with a barbie doll wig on it. The kids get a hoot out of it.
1,177 posted on 06/25/2003 3:26:27 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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To: Rudder
Data collection for a hypothesis is done within the scientific method; as a process of the scientific method.

You do not collect data using the scientific method. You collect data for the scientific method, testing a hypothesis.

This all seems very simple to me. I must be missing somthing, a block of some sort.
1,178 posted on 06/25/2003 3:33:23 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I have also complimented goodseed on demeanor, but there is more to a debate than politeness. Bill Clinton was polite, most of the time. The argument is over how Hovind could have a Ph.D. from an institution that doesn't offer one, and whether the things Hovind says make sense. I haven't seen any evidence for either proposition.

We have, however, been threatened with exposure of the lurid past of the people sponsoring AIG. Isn't this the same argument?

1,179 posted on 06/25/2003 3:36:42 PM PDT by js1138
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To: goodseedhomeschool
There is a neat picture of my son Cody and Dr. Hovind on my front page with a dino pal here:
http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/PWP-goodseedhomeschoolgroup
1,180 posted on 06/25/2003 3:37:00 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (Jesus Loves us all!)
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