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Vanity: Is protecting Constitution no longer goal of Freerepublic.com?
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Posted on 02/28/2003 10:03:14 AM PST by libertylady

I have recently noticed that the home page of Free Republic no longer has the icon at the top which states that one of the goals of this website is protecting our freedom and our Constitution. Can anyone help me shed some light on this? I would hope that this is a temporary change and not an official declaration made by the staff of this website. With the lack of articles and lack of alarm posted on this website about the Draconian Patriot 1 and Patriot Act 2 I have began to wonder about whether this site really does support the Constitution.


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To: bassmaner
I am opposed to many aspects of the WOD, especially those law enforcement tactics that trample on the Bill of Rights. However, I am not in favor of legalizing marijuana or any other drug that is now illegal. Legalizing drugs is NOT a goal of FR. Eventually I will set up a special forum in the sidebar for the drug war threads. At the moment they can go to the Smokey Backroom Forum.

21 posted on 02/28/2003 12:07:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (And I did preview this post. Any errors are all mine. Whom else can I blame?)
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To: libertylady
I am also concerned and deeply troubled that there is no official stance on chocolate pudding on this site. As conservatives, are we no longer in favor of chocolate pudding. I hope this was a mere oversight by the staff and not a sign of things to come.
22 posted on 02/28/2003 12:11:43 PM PST by rabidralph (Too lazy to read every post.)
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To: libertylady
You mean this? I found it on the home page????


23 posted on 02/28/2003 12:13:31 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: libertylady
Draconian Patriot 1 and Patriot Act 2

Do you know of anyone other than Islamic terrorists who've been adversely affected by these Acts?

24 posted on 02/28/2003 12:13:35 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: steve50
Can't find the authority in there anywhere to wage it,

Can you find anything in the Constitution that allows the building and maintanence of Interstate Highways?

25 posted on 02/28/2003 12:14:39 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: libertylady
We will have no constitution to protect if we allow our enemies to destroy us.

I think most of us have been concentrating on defending America first with topics that we all agree with.

I am opposed to the War On Drugs, but I believe the need to stop the anti American idiots is more important at this time.

We need patriotism to stop the destruction of the Constitution. This war may accomplish just that. Once people again believe in the Constitution as written, they will see the War On Drugs as the evil it really is.
26 posted on 02/28/2003 12:14:55 PM PST by radioman
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To: libertylady
By the way, there is no lack of articles or alarm on this site regarding the "Draconian Patriot 1 and Patriot Act 2." They get posted and debated on a daily basis. And, again, if we had a decent judiciary, these things would get tossed out pronto. And, perhaps they will be.


27 posted on 02/28/2003 12:15:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Save the Constitution. Dump a Democrat!)
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To: rabidralph

12,150 cups of chocolate pudding.

THIS man is a TRUE conservative! hehe

28 posted on 02/28/2003 12:17:25 PM PST by FourtySeven
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To: libertylady
Oddly enough, once the icon went away, I ceased supporting the constitution at the same time. It just brought about a total political conversion in me.
29 posted on 02/28/2003 12:18:03 PM PST by Mr.Clark
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To: _Jim
Changing the subject. How original.
30 posted on 02/28/2003 12:20:06 PM PST by steve50 (neocons, the "new coke" of conservatives)
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To: libertylady
With the lack of articles and lack of alarm posted on this website about the Draconian Patriot 1 and Patriot Act 2 I have began to wonder about whether this site really does support the Constitution.

Please understand that we're largely desensitized to the infringement of our liberties thanks to the lunatic fringe that's been assailing our Second Amendment rights (in the name of security) for the past 40 years.

Please also understand that if the government could engage in the oh-so-politically-incorrect practice of profiling Muslim men between the ages of 17 and 45, we wouldn't need the abomination of the Patriot Act(s).

But, thanks to the lunatic fringe, all of us now get to be under the microscope that only a select few should be.

-Jay

31 posted on 02/28/2003 12:23:04 PM PST by Jay D. Dyson (I have no sense of diplomacy. I consider that a character asset.)
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To: steve50
Changing the subject.<.i>

My 'guess' here is that you feigning a failure to understand my point -

- and I call that a tactical dodge

Next you'll strategically bob and weave a bit ...

32 posted on 02/28/2003 12:24:18 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: libertylady
RE: Patriot Act

Maybe not everyone is an alarmist about this stuff. The people for it have made a decent case, the people against it have made a decent case. Its a matter of debate and thought. The problem comes when the Tinfoil Hat Society comes whirling in like some paranoid tornado because people are getting searched at airports or what have you. Many people see this as a grey area and not a red flashing siren of impending doom. And anyways, typically throughout history, when the gov't treads in these grey areas during times of war, when peace resumes, they exit the grey area. So maybe there isn't as much outrage as you'd like, but its hardly an indictment against FR. I appreciate the ability on FR to hold differing viewpoints and to weigh their merits.
33 posted on 02/28/2003 12:28:04 PM PST by CaptainJustice (Get RIGHT or get left.)
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To: robertpaulsen
It's in the backroom because there's more to the Constitution than your right to toke up.

Like the right to own property, free from goobermint confiscation through "asset forfeiture"?

Like the right to be secure in our homes and persons, free from ninja suited rambo wannabes breaking in our houses and shooting unarmed people?

Like the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, like those conducted at road blocks and traffic stops?

All these things and more are the consequences of your beloved WOsD.

Any discussion of American rights and the Constitution quite naturally would include the WOsD, as it has been the excuse for the greatest Constitutional travesties of our time.

34 posted on 02/28/2003 12:31:47 PM PST by jimt
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To: Jim Robinson
You mentioned debate in post #27.

Is FR really a debate site anymore? Since the goal is to "replace as many Democrats as possible", has FR given up the idea of debate, and instead become solely a place for Republican activism?

I only ask because the admin moderators seem to relentlessly expunge any posts that express a difference of opinion, thus stifling any debate whatsoever.

And, of course, Darth Sidious was banned because he had the gall to vote for a Democrat (who, in his opinion, was the better candidate). (I also admittedly don't know the whole story.)

Could you please address why the moderators are stifling any differences of opinion. Is it because debate is no longer the goal, while Republican activism is? Perhaps activism was always the goal, but at one time debate was allowed. Now - debate (with differences of opinion) is frowned on, because it doesn't advance activism.

Could you please address this? Thank you.
35 posted on 02/28/2003 12:34:39 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: libertylady
Um...it's a graphic they turn off when they're trying to figure out what's slowing the site down.

Oh, OK, I'll 'fess up. It isn't, really, it's just that a bunch of us got together and talked it over and decided that this "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" stuff has run its course and that it's time to put the ownership of the means of production into the hands of the State where it belongs and place the reins of government into the hands of the workers' collective committees. Power to the people! Death to the bourgeoisie!

What? Too soon? Oh. Never mind...

It's a graphic they turn off when they're trying to figure out what's slowing the site down.

36 posted on 02/28/2003 12:35:07 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
The debate goes on 24 hours per day seven days per week.
37 posted on 02/28/2003 12:36:00 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Save the Constitution. Dump a Democrat!)
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To: libertylady
On Fox News the other night I saw a piece on Homeland Security and search warrants and tapping of phones being under a 'secret' court.

While I want all terrorists to cease surrounding us in our own country in their various cells, there are indeed many other options to stop this. One, would be tightening immigration and our borders.

38 posted on 02/28/2003 12:36:01 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Darth was banned for acting like a jerk.
39 posted on 02/28/2003 12:36:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Save the Constitution. Dump a Democrat!)
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To: steve50
Sometimes I wonder if FR is beginning to morph from a truly conservative website to a wholly-owned subsidiary of High Times Magazine.
40 posted on 02/28/2003 12:37:21 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I miss the comic genius of Paul Lynde, at least I have Carrot Top to fall back on)
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