Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
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The fact that your ONLY reply is a bit of name calling IS rather telling, almost as if you don't have any facts to support your position. I know that's not the case though. I'd love to see the list of Libertarian SENATORS in Congress, if you have it handy.
p.s. IF a Libertarian ran for Senator in Texas, and had a CHANCE of winning, I'd vote for them, but I will not participate in electing socialists or helping them maintain control of the Senate and block good conservative judges and tax cuts.
There are no more excuses for the Republican slide toward socialism that we've seen since Reagan. WH, Senate, and the US House are all theirs. Anything requiring a simple majority should be easy-peasy.
If in the next two years they can't get anything done, they only have themselves to blame. If they GROW the size of government, despite their campaign promises, then they will have proven once and for all that they are no better than the Rats.
I'm willing to give them a shot.
We can learn from the Dims on this point. They have pushed us torwards socialism incrementally over the last 60 years. We have to push back the same way. The idiots in the middle couldn't handle the shock of waking up one day in a Conservative or Libertarian country.
A very excellent and profound point. And one lost on the likes of the flamers who want everything now, now, now. They can't see the forest for the trees. The only reason the Republican Party has moved to the middle is to avoid complete surrender (which is what some of the Libertarian posters seem to advocate). Once the party gets more and more of a majority, it will be able to move right again.
There were a couple of Libertarians that posted on the main election thread who said they voted Republican. To those few guys (none of them were the usual name-calling and flamer Libertarian posters), I say thank you for having insight and for seeing the big picture.
Note the absence of personal attacks and sarcastic remarks in the above.
If I called you a dumba$$ or dipsh!t, that would be name calling. Your responses were arrogant and condescending. Those are merely legitimate adjectives to describe your demeanor. I hope you know the difference.
I'd love to see the list of Libertarian SENATORS in Congress
So, it's your assessment that any political opinion is invalid and worthless unless that ideology is able to attain a seat in Congress. How quaint, and unfortunately, un-American. Do you deny that the two party system has done a remarkable job of protecting not only the status quo of having only two parties, but also gerrymandering districts to such a fine degree as to make most congressional seats completely secure for the incumbent. Of the 435 seats in the House, how many were even competitive during this election? Maybe 20? Let's not pretend that the deck isn't stacked against third party ideas.
IF a Libertarian ran for Senator in Texas, and had a CHANCE of winning, I'd vote for them
See above. You have your current crop of Democrats and Republican incumbents to thank for this situation.
I disagree with that. I think a meaningless tax cut that tends to placate people and make them think the goal is really low taxes is more damaging than anything else. I would rather see a HUGE tax increase, raise them 100%! 200%! We need another TEA PARTY.
We didn't get here (politically) overnight and we won't fix it overnight.
I would be happy to see the slide stop! Just stop it! DON"T PROPOSE NEW WEALTH TRANFER SCHEMES! The Republicans and GWB are PROPOSING these things. There is no incremental fix going on, or even being discussed. NO PROGRAMS are being even proposed to be eliminated or even cut back! Incremental? Incremental what?
Show me a sign. Give me a reason to believe.
Hint, it ain't gonna happen.
The problem is, you have a lot of people who say, "I'm a Constitutional Conservative... except."
They always undermine their dedication to constitutional purity by insisting that their particular morality is just and right, and that the right to enforce their morality is somehow imputed even though it's not authorized in the Constitution.
A little culture shock may just wake people up. If the Republicans don't do something bold and effective, you KNOW the liberals will be able to spin it to their advantage in two years.
No. The Republicans won't be able to peel back 60 years of New Deal BS and liberal nonsense.
They SHOULD be able to make meaningful headway however.
You are going to "hold them accountable"? How will you do that? You going to withhold your vote next time if they don't? You going to stay home? You going to come on this forum and advocate openly that people not vote Republican if they don't deliver? YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR A DIFFERENT PARTY? LOL, that's hilarious!I'll never live to see any of the above.
That is what I'm trying to do, hold them accountable, and you see what the reception is to that idea? LOL, people who do that are ridiculed on this forum.
Libertarians & Republicans will never get together because Libertarians LOVE to see Republicans lose. When we Republicans agonized over Monica giving sex under the desk, Libertarians were gleeful that they contributed to Clinton's victory at the polls.
Wake up Republicans! Libertarians know their views are superior, will never lower themselves to compromise, and revel in the knowledge that they have the power to deny us victory, as in S.D.
To sum it up, this is all a big joke to Libertarians.
It happens to even long time posters. Most just make a new post and correct the first one.
Is John Cornyn as conservative as i would like? No. But he's better than Ron Kirk, who actually IS a fairly conservative Dem. He is still a Dem, and we will have a more conservative government with Trent Lott running the Senate that with Satan's handmaiden Daschle. It hurts to say that because I think Lott is a spineless idiot, and wouldn't hire him to mow my yard, but he's better than Daschle (not by much). That's how incrementalism works.
Then what you need to do is register republican and then get elected and work from within like Ron Paul.
A third party is never going to take over.
That's your idea of holding their feet to the fire? LOL, funny stuff.
In case it hadn't occured to you, you should have been doing that all along.
The irony is so stark I'm laughing. You keep talking about conditioning more moderate voters to get with the Republicans.
Read what you wrote above and then ask yourself who's being conditioned!
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