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Oral-sex issue hits middle schools (posted 6/10/2002)
Lexington Herald Leader ^ | Jun. 09, 2002 | Valarie Honeycutt Spears

Posted on 06/10/2002 4:35:38 AM PDT by Pern

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To: JediGirl
Let's see, in your opinion, Conservatives wast to impose their will on others and the religious right is intolerant and want to impose their morals on others. Parents should be the ones to impose their beliefs on their children; however , those children will make up their own minds ; your unviced implication being that the kids will do whatever they damn well please. Have I managed to get it correct ?

If so, then , as far as you're concerned , rules of behavior don't matter at all. True ? It's just do whatever , as long as it doesn't harm you in any way ? That's chaos and no tribe, no community, no nation can function that way. Oh, and when the consequences do manage to touch your life, it's too late.

Thank you so very much for pointing out my typo. The message really wasn't so difficult to decipher , though. LOL

301 posted on 06/10/2002 5:12:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: galt-jw
i know what we should do....lets make a huge issue out of sex, and then feel superior because sex is made a huge issue over which we feel superiority.

The issue isn't over feeling superior. It's a battle for the hearts and minds of our children, and to keep our kids from being corrupted by society.

302 posted on 06/10/2002 5:13:15 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Dan from Michigan
ok, then....not flaming, just curious....if your wife (girlfriend) were to engage in oral 'whatever' with another man, would you say it's not sex? otoh, if you were to allow a woman to perform oral 'whatever' on you, would your wife (girlfriend) see it as sex or not?

and just for the sake of argument, what about a woman being the recipient of oral? is that sex? or is that 2nd base?

i personally view those acts as more intimate (and more sexual) than intercourse.

303 posted on 06/10/2002 5:13:34 PM PDT by christine
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To: yendu bwam
your post 292 to jedigirl post 297 does not answer the question posed.

the arguments you present are intellectually weak.

if you intend to defend your position, you must do that.

304 posted on 06/10/2002 5:14:15 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: JediGirl
She put hereself in danger ? You're being judgemental again. Asking your advice, after the horse has been stolen, is unwise. What happened to " live and let live " ? Her actions have nothing to do with you. It's none of your business. Are you a member of the religious right, that you imposed your moral beliefs on her ?

See how your illogical stabs at refutation can come back to haunt you ?

305 posted on 06/10/2002 5:18:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: yendu bwam
that sex is not appropriate for children has been adressed. ad hominem and straw men arguments will be pointed out.
306 posted on 06/10/2002 5:18:19 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: nopardons; JediGirl
Conservatives wast to impose their will on others and the religious right is intolerant and want to impose their morals on others.

I don't want to impose my views on others. (I couldn't, even if I wanted to.) Anyone has the freedom to go out and have oral sex, homosexual sex, group sex, sadomasochistic sex and so forth with as many people as they want. But I don't want others imposing their sexual attitudes on my children. And that is what's happening all over the place. When my kids are taught in school that wearing condoms is all that's needed before having sex, and our Boy Scout troop is attacked for not wanting active homosexual men as our scout leaders to go on overnight camping trips with our teenage sons, and when pornographic pictures stare out of every New York City newstand and airport counter when my kids walk by, then MY rights as a parent are being infringed on.

307 posted on 06/10/2002 5:18:36 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
The issue isn't over feeling superior. It's a battle for the hearts and minds of our children, and to keep our kids from being corrupted by society.

Then it's up to the parents to instill in their children the values they wish them to have. They must counter-act societies "evil" messages, then.

308 posted on 06/10/2002 5:18:51 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: nopardons
Aren't you willing to openly talk about your sex life?

It is a little disconcerting (but hardly unexpected) to see supposed Christians trying to talk dirty to minors -- for the better glory of Jesus, of course.

309 posted on 06/10/2002 5:19:44 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: JediGirl
So. An 18 year old. Cannot handle sex better than a 12 year old?

Well, at what age do you think kids should start having sex and why?

310 posted on 06/10/2002 5:20:07 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: christine11
If I'm married(I'm not), I wouldn't even want my wife kissing another man. I wouldn't cheat on my wife either, and wouldn't even go "first base" with another woman.

and just for the sake of argument, what about a woman being the recipient of oral? is that sex? or is that 2nd base?
I don't know.

311 posted on 06/10/2002 5:20:28 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Equality 7-2521
It seems that [if the religious right on this thread is an indicator] most of the conservatives hold virginity as the only thing that a woman can have to offer to a husband and that once it's gone she is worthless.

This is ridiculous, and you know it. No person has argued this anywhere on this thread. Women have an abundance of wonderful and beautiful attributes to offer men. However, for many, virginity is one of them. Maybe not to you. So, if it's not, you can marry a women who's done the rounds.

312 posted on 06/10/2002 5:22:38 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: JediGirl
And if the girl is willing to do it because she loves her partner? Is it demeaning to a guy to reciprocate?

You mean, if you 'care' about a guy you've known at least three months. Go ahead. Give him oral sex. He won't complain, unless he really cares about you.

313 posted on 06/10/2002 5:24:59 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Well, at what age do you think kids should start having sex and why?

are you presenting the premise that the state should determine this? or just your gang? or the mob rule of wherever you live?

which is it?

among states, the age of consent differs.
so who should decide?
the individual or individual unit-the family, or the collective-the state, or whatever gang happens to be in power?

surely you dont mean to imply by your answer that there IS an objective morality, which follows from an objective libertarian society?

314 posted on 06/10/2002 5:26:32 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Pern
Than you Bill and Monica. I wonder if any of the boys bite.
315 posted on 06/10/2002 5:27:15 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Hacksaw
lol!!
316 posted on 06/10/2002 5:27:21 PM PDT by christine
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To: galt-jw
the arguments you present are intellectually weak

For many, especially religious Christians, Jews and Muslims, premarital sex is considered something that is against God's will. Since you are an atheist, that won't mean much to you. But for those to whom it does mean something, it also makes a great deal of sense. In my life, almost all I know who've engaged in premarital sex have had less fulfilling marriages than those who have. I trust God on this, and it makes sense to me.

It wasn't an argument, galt-jw, just an explanation. What I said is true. Many people believe in God (you don't have to); many believe that God does not want people to engage in premarital sex. Finally, it is my personal observation that people who've had sex with many partners have had less fulfilling marriages, on average, than people who didn't. That's also true with the people I've known in my life. I'm not asking you to believe in God, or asking you to believe in what I believe God wants.

317 posted on 06/10/2002 5:29:32 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
You mean, if you 'care' about a guy you've known at least three months. Go ahead. Give him oral sex. He won't complain, unless he really cares about you.

You're avoiding the question. We discussed the 3 months post earlier.

318 posted on 06/10/2002 5:30:19 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: galt-jw
I was simply asking what JediGirl believed on this. You brought up the state, I didn't.
319 posted on 06/10/2002 5:30:22 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Dan from Michigan
I don't know.

lol! kinda hard to argue with that! ;)

320 posted on 06/10/2002 5:32:10 PM PDT by christine
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