Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz
The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.
The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! -- we have a winner! We have a winner! No more calls, please .....
It's all about "breaking the box" -- "you don't want to be caught dead agreeing with those horrible, sheet-wearing, snaggletoothed, pellagra-ridden, Jim Crow white people down South! (Did you know their children all have lice?)"
It's about the "Finkelstein Box" and the battleground States, and discomfiting and discountenancing the conservative, freedom-oriented impulses of the American voters, so they'll vote 'Rat, against their liberty interests.
This guy:
Abraham Lincoln Quote
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
by:
Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:
Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
Spare me the preachiness. JR runs his forum as he sees fit, and he alone makes those decisions, not you.
As far as these Civil War threads, N-S did bring knowledge to the debate, whether I agreed or not. He was a worthy opponent in this arena, in my opinion.
As far as other opinions espoused by N-S that apparently provided the cause for being banned, I’m not all that familiar with what built up to that. All I’ve seen would be the last few replies prior. I assume it was justified on that basis.
Regarding trolls, there are many kinds of behavior used to disrupt a forum, mojitojoe. Above and beyond the “concern troll,” there would be the POE, who seeks to undermine and destroy the credibility of a site like FR, by being a deliberate satire of a conservative, taking points of view that reinforce negative stereotypes, leading discussions into extreme tinfoil territory, etcetera.
You’re familiar with this, right?
I wish Lincoln was around so you could explain that to him. Sadly, he had a little accident in a theater.
Abraham Lincoln Quote
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
by: Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President Source:
Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858 (The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
He’s stupid, already outed as a troll. I vote re-tread and have a good idea who.
Without any sort of official sanction at either the state or the national level then did it really exist? A group of free blacks may have organized themselves and called themselves a regiment, but the state refused their service and do did Richmond. That sounds more like wishful thinking than an actual army unit.
Having lived in the south, I used to be annoyed by the “South Will Rise Again” crowd who idolized a make believe Southern Utopia that never existed. But if you feel the need to idolize losers, feel free. Given the failure of your first “rise”, I can see no harm. Southern secession and success are two different states of being.
I have the courage to fix what is wrong with the country I love.
Stand Watie certainly was a character, wasn't he? His replies were pretty wild at times, actually most of the time, but he did have a very unique and specific take on the Confederacy. Too bad more didn't bother to understand where he was coming from.
Despite all the years of his participation, I suspect most who denigrated him remained ignorant throughout, as to just who his FR s/n namesake was, and why that matters in certain arguments over the so-called Civil War.
I was under the impression that he was much older. I hope he's OK.
He is missed by some of us. Speaking of N-S, some of the most memorable donneybrooks on any FR CW thread were often between those two.
An insult to Hitler.
So... using your logic, IF the stars and stripes became the flag of the US under a global government, or Marxist government, even a dictatorship, am I bound to pledge allegiance to it?
DEFINITELY a federal boot lick, YEP! We found one.
What is a mint tulip?
I'm not sure. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say it was dependent on where in the Reconstruction process a state was. At the time of the 1868 election those three were the only former Confederate states that had not yet ratified the 14th Amendment and guaranteed suffrage for their black population.
hus, if one speaks-up for the Confederacy, they are speaking up for slavery.
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Still a troll, still an idiot. Are you on a rampage because your butt buddy NS got the zot... finally... and long deserved?
He’s NS’s ghost
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