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Don't spin the Civil War
Washington Post ^ | 12.27.10 | E.J. DIONNE jR.

Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz

The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.

The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.

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To: lentulusgracchus

My post to you was in response to, and an extension of the witch-hunt foolishness that pokie has been promulgating and had nothing to do with Mikefromohio. Had you been paying attention instead of looking up awkward and inappropriate references to biblical characters you might have noticed.

By picking up and carrying forward these imbecilic accusations you now get to wear them as your own ‘cloak of stupid’. Congratulations.

Naturally, since I have long found that leftists have no sense of shame, I don’t expect you to do anything except weasel around the issue. And that surprises me because you used to be better than this. I can’t tell if it is that you no longer buy your own BS or if something else is bothering you. Pity.


1,241 posted on 01/06/2011 7:59:13 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: lentulusgracchus; rustbucket; Ditto
who said the debate thread had "gone missing"?

I did, and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that it existed in the first place. Rustbucket doesn't recall such a thread as you described either, although he helpfully provided the brief that supports your side of the arguement.

LG, your sectional bias and willingness to manipulate the record is well documented. Now, either produce the thread in question of stop mentioning it as supporting evidence. Sabe?

1,242 posted on 01/06/2011 7:59:26 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: cowboyway

You’ve proven no lie.


1,243 posted on 01/06/2011 8:00:29 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway

“The above paragraph is proof that non-sequitur is still amoung us.

(Should I alert the mods? Hmmmmm.....)”

Wow Columbo, that was brilliant sleuthing. Looks like it’s finally time for you to do the coup de grâce and trip the hammer. What are you waiting for?


1,244 posted on 01/06/2011 8:04:38 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway
(BTW, why don't you attack your comrades for their "little school girl games", huh?)

You are the only one here directing that nonsense to me. LG isn't. Rustbucket isn't. If you can't stay with a big boy conversation, then just stay away.

BTW. I have told you before. I'm not 'playing' on any side. I just call them as I see them, and I see you as nothing but an increasing annoyance.

1,245 posted on 01/06/2011 8:07:13 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: cowboyway
"On every one of these threads I've always start out trying to engage your side in reasonable debate...

OK, I had to stop there because I'm laughing so hard that my eyes are watering ;-)

pokie, you have NEVER started into anything, much less the WBTS threads without an insult or snarky comment. You ALWAYS assume that someone is dissing the south or the confederacy and you go on the attack.

I guess I shouldn't laugh since you obviously are unable to practice any sort of self control, but it is funny nonetheless.

1,246 posted on 01/06/2011 8:13:41 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: rockrr
the witch-hunt foolishness that pokie has been promulgating

Poor wuttle wockrr. Caught red-handed in a lie and now he's the victim of a witch hunt.

Pathetic.....

(psst! post# 1090!!)

1,247 posted on 01/06/2011 8:18:49 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: lentulusgracchus; rustbucket
do you still insist that rustbucket and I are trying to put one over on thread readers concerning the Northwest Territories and various controversies over their organization by Congress? That we are "fabricating" things about that juncture of American history as well?

I never included rustbucket in my critique of YOUR posts pardner, and in fact purposely left him off the ping list that I notified of that critique. I do find it interesting how determined you are to drag him into this conversation. If I didn't know better I'd say you were trying to hide behind him. Another aspect of your posting style I suppose. When you find yourself in the weeds you start looking for a substitute.

Now, before we go further, do you still insist that I "fabricated" U.S. history?

Fabrication: A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Often propaganda is classified as a fabrication.

Yes I do. Multiple times on this thread alone.

1,248 posted on 01/06/2011 8:23:52 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: rockrr
You’ve proven no lie.

Post# 1090. It's there for all to see. Even your comrades won't come to your defense on that one.

1,249 posted on 01/06/2011 8:24:05 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: rockrr
What are you waiting for?

You need to worry about yourself and address post# 1090.

1,250 posted on 01/06/2011 8:26:32 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: Ditto
If you can't stay with a big boy conversation, then just stay away.

When you decide to have one let us know, would ya?

I'm not 'playing' on any side.

You're posting history proves otherwise.

I see you as nothing but an increasing annoyance.

Well, there's that little button labeled 'ignore'. Use it.

1,251 posted on 01/06/2011 8:31:36 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: rockrr
pokie, you have NEVER started into anything, much less the WBTS threads without an insult or snarky comment. You ALWAYS assume that someone is dissing the south or the confederacy and you go on the attack.

Been stalking me all over FR, huh? Figures. You have a fetish for me. I'm even in your tagline!

I guess I shouldn't laugh since you obviously are unable to practice any sort of self control, but it is funny nonetheless.

Pot, meet kettle.

1,252 posted on 01/06/2011 8:35:07 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: cowboyway
Even your comrades won't come to your defense on that one.

I have no comrades. I am an entity unto myself. Furthermore no one needs to "come to my defense" simply because normal people can see that there is no 'there' there.

You apparently think that you have uncovered some diabolical plot or something, and are frantically racing around in ever increasingly smaller circles and generally doing what you do best - making an ass of yourself.

For me, I'm immensely enjoying you make a fool of yourself. Why should I interrupt you?

1,253 posted on 01/06/2011 8:35:39 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: cowboyway
Been stalking me all over FR, huh? Figures. You have a fetish for me.

Says the boy who studies other FReepers for ammo for his witch-hunts. You aren't very bright pokie, but you sure are amusing.

Pot, meet kettle.

The irony-needle pegged out here. Do you even know what "Pot, meet kettle" even means?!

1,254 posted on 01/06/2011 8:39:39 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Ditto

Yea Ditto, push that little button labeled ‘ignore’ - Isn’t it right there taped to pokie’s forehead?!


1,255 posted on 01/06/2011 8:42:33 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: rockrr
I'm immensely enjoying you make a fool of yourself.

IOW, you have no life except making snarky remarks on the internet, fabricating cyber personas and patting yourself on the back for being the smartest guy you know.

BTW, post# 1090 exposes you for a liar and I find it interesting the way you've reached into your libtard bag of tricks to deflect the exposure of your lies.

1,256 posted on 01/06/2011 8:45:14 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: cowboyway
Do you really want to talk about how that in almost 200 years of legal slavery in America there was only one revolt and that one a failure?

Would you care to talk about how amazingly ignorant you are of history?

Here's a partial listing of 'serious' revolts even before Nat Turner's 1831 uprising.

Gloucester County, Virginia--Sept. 1663--This was the first major conspiracy for a possible slave rebellion. The plot by black slaves and white indentured servants was betrayed to the authorities. Several plotters were beheaded.

New York City Slave Rebellion--1712--25 slaves armed with guns and clubs burned down houses on the northern edge of New York City and killed nine whites. The rebels were killed after soldiers arrived. The repercussions of this rebellion resulted in the tortuous execution of 18 participants in the rebellion.

Cato's Conspiracy/Stono Rebellion--1739--Approximately 80 slaves armed themselves and attempted to march toward Spanish Florida from their home area of Stono, South Carolina. When confronted by a group of white militia, a battle ensued. Forty-four blacks and twenty-one whites perished.

New York Conspiracy--March and April, 1741-- Thirty-one slaves and four whites were executed as a result of rumors of a major slave rebellion in New York City. It is unknown whether these rumors were based on fact or were part of a larger paranoia which existed regarding slave uprisings.

Gabriel Prosser's Rebellion--1800--Gabriel Prosser, a blacksmith, and his brother Martin, a slave preacher, planned a major rebellion in Virginia. They recruited at least a thousand slaves to their cause and built up a secret cache of weapons in anticipation of marching on the state capital of Richmond. When the day of the revolt arrived though, a violent storm washed out the roads and bridges leading to Richmond. The rebels broke up and Prosser was betrayed by one of his followers. The state militia captured Prosser and he and many of his followers were hanged.

Slave rebellion in St. John the Baptist Parish --Jan 8-10, 1811-- Slave rebellion in Louisiana in which 500 slaves took part and 100 were killed. Louisiana had only recently joined the United States after the Louisiana Purchase of 1803.

Fort Blount--1816--Three hundred fugitive slaves and Florida Indians battled U.S. Army troops at Apalachicola Bay in Florida.

Denmark Vesey's Uprising--1822--Vesey, a free black man living in South Carolina, detested slavery and took great inspiration from stories of Israelite freedom from bondage in the Bible. He began organizing for a major rebellion which would take place in 1822 in the city of Charleston. He and his followers organized into small cells, independent of each other. This way, of a single cell were detected by the authorities, the other rebel cells could survive.

His plan was rather simple. Armed slaves would position themselves outside the houses of whites at night. Then, other slaves would start a major fire in the city. When the white men exited their homes to fight the fire, the slaves would kill them.

Unfortunately for Vesey and his followers, someone betrayed them before they could launch the attack. One of Vesey's companions, who knew the whole plan, turned him in to the authorities. Vesey and the other leaders were hung, but the immensity and ingenuity of the plot terrified southern slave owners.

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1,257 posted on 01/06/2011 8:46:52 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: y'all
Hi my name is EJ Dionne. I'm a very liberal psuedo Catholic from Boston sent her by Free Republic's culture war liberal Yankee wing (those who remain that homophobic JR did not purge over homosexuality issues) to rid this forum of those evil Southern racist bigots once and for all. Glad to meet all you socially moderate Northern conservatives. You NeoYankees don't seem as bad as I woulda thought. Glad to be of help. You can use my material anytime.


1,258 posted on 01/06/2011 8:48:11 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: rockrr
I'm afraid that your fetish is worsening.
1,259 posted on 01/06/2011 8:48:24 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: Lee'sGhost; rockrr
Here's his last post, and the response.

To: DBeers

You seem to be a cheerleader for the homosexual sex clown posse IMHO.

If you truly believe that then you're an idiot. I don't like the way DADT has been repealed but I spent most of my adult life in the military and I think I know a thing or two about it. You gloom and doomers who say this will destroy the military are giving little credit to the hundreds of thousands of men and women in uniform who will not let it. The true professionals in uniform will remain true professionals.

1,804 posted on Monday, December 20, 2010 2:00:38 PM by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

zot

2,147 posted on 12/21/2010 1:29:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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1,260 posted on 01/06/2011 8:51:47 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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