Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz
The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.
The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.
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Doing your Caiaphas imitation, to persuade us you're some kind of high priest?
Jeez.
Cite and quote. When did I scurr on someone like you said?
I reproved Mike from Ohio for appealing to Southern "Fang-with-pellagra" stereotypes to characterize Cowboyway.
You got a beef wid dat?
A lot more convenient that FRiend rustbucket brought in some of the original material so we didn't have to cull through a bunch of Non-Sequitur's non-sequiturs and Dump_truck's dump jobs, just to get to the same links and original docs.
Besides, who said the debate thread had "gone missing"?
I just said I don't know where it is. Some of the other FReepers, like nolu chan, used to save those threads in case they got pulled on account of extreme Yankee coven trolling ( and losing).
But here is a link. Did you read it? Look at it?
You snarked. Did you read first?
Guess you missed Deliverance.
Wait, what am I saying? You probably have it on VHS and DVD both, so you can gloat over Ned Beatty's character and laugh your ass off at Southerners killing each other out in the woods.
The deal was real. Deal with it. It's American history, it unfolded over a period of weeks and months in 1854, and it fell apart over Lecompton. Douglas brought the Kansas-Nebraska Act to the table, and Jefferson Davis brought the Transcontinental Railroad, for which he favored the 35th Parallel route his surveyors had mapped out under his authority as Secretary of War, in response to the 1853 act requiring him to do so. Douglas and other Midwestern senators really wanted that eastern terminus located on the High Plains, conveniently close to Chicago and the Great Lakes. Davis, Douglas, and many others had entertained an enthusiasm for the idea of the railroad going back into the 1840's, but Davis was the man on the spot, the guy with the portfolio, and he was from Mississippi and allied with the Southern senators in the so-called "F Street" group that wanted the Territories held open to slaveholders. Or do you deny that? How then do you say that all of that is "fabricated"?
You smear people. That's why nobody takes you seriously, because that's the only reason you're on FR -- to scoff and troll and bait people. Too bad you don't have real skillz, like N-S.
When was the last time you posted a link to anything?
Supported anything you said?
Posted in good faith, to advance a discussion and expand people's understanding?
Link me to a post like that, one you made. I've lost track .... possibly because you've never done it. Go on, relieve my misgivings about your bona fides.
You are an idiot.
http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/biography6text.html
and Here:
http://usinfo.org/docs/democracy/22.htm.
Now, before we go further, do you still insist that I "fabricated" U.S. history?
Please address the question directly in your response.
And just to round things off, do you still insist that rustbucket and I are trying to put one over on thread readers concerning the Northwest Territories and various controversies over their organization by Congress? That we are "fabricating" things about that juncture of American history as well?
Please answer directly.
Well, NS, why don't YOU tell us why YOU got banned.
(why don't you tell us about post# 1090 before you get another ban hammer)
Do you really want to get into that whole master/slave relationship discussion again, non-sequitur? Do you really want to rehash how some slaves refused to leave their masters because they were treated so good? Do you really want to talk about how that in almost 200 years of legal slavery in America there was only one revolt and that one a failure? Do you, non-sequitur?
Hadn't thought of that either, but now that you mention it, hell yes. And don't be stingy about it.
Figures. You libtards are always looking for a handout.....
After for putting up with all your myths, pretzel logic, historical ignorance, overblown sense of regional pride, constant ad hominem attacks, and now, totally bizarre rationalizations like self-flagiation, I think some compensation is in order. Make it cash.
The above paragraph is proof that non-sequitur is still amoung us.
(Should I alert the mods? Hmmmmm.....)
I didn't think that I needed a sarc tag for that but, considering the collective intelligence of the coven, and especially when your room temperature IQ is averaged in, I should have known better.
here’s the url. Just copy and past it into your browser.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford/Dissent_McLean
Poor baby. Don't forget to tell your mommy too.
Well, there's the proof we needed.
Hello, non-sequitur. Just how many accounts do you have on Free Republic?
Very thorough. I’m impressed.
“Besides, who said the debate thread had ‘gone missing’? I just said I don’t know where it is.”
Well...that’s it in a nutshell. A perfect example of why these discussions deteriorate into name-calling exercises. The thinking people make a statement and the dufi (plural of dufas) completely misrepresent what was said. The question is, do they do it intentionally or on purpose? My suspicion is the former as it would explain a genetic deficiency also common to liberals.
Note how you pointed out the offense but there was no apology or even acknowledgment.
They won't even acknowledge when they are caught red handed in a lie. (reference post# 1090) They either post endless red herrings or slink away.
Mostly the former and certainly not enough of the latter.
It’s the tactic used in every exchange I’ve ever had with these @ss clowns.
I have been saving this one for over 13 years because I planned way ahead on running into stupid newbe's like you. < /s >
Again, why don't you spend some time discussing the topics at hand rather than playing little school girl games here.
Maybe because you don't know crap about the topics so instead you just make a pest of yourself.
LOL. Are you serious? Did you even bother to read through the thread you're currently posting on before launching on this uninformed screed?
Supported anything you said?
Lets see...earlier on this thread I posted a link to University of Virginia research demonstrating that a photograph of the Louisiana Native Guard, widely disseminated in neo-confederate circles, was a...historical fabrication. Not that it stopped Dixie Outfitters from selling a t-shirt with the doctored photo prominantly featured, but thats another matter :^)
Posted in good faith, to advance a discussion and expand people's understanding?
That would be a couple of hundred posts ago, again on this current thread. I posted a link to Blue&Gray Magazine that I hoped would settle the waters and facilitate a new discussion about an important historical anectdote.
Link me to a post like that, one you made. I've lost track .... possibly because you've never done it. Go on, relieve my misgivings about your bona fides.
I think I've more than adaquately demonstrated your own unreliability as an honest (albeit partisan) broker as it regards both American history and my posting history...right here on this thread.
Perhaps the real reason you've 'lost track' is because you're an agenda driven propagandist and intellectually lazy smear artist who plays fast and loose with the facts.
Lecompton was over three years after the Kansas-Nebraska Act. And it was Douglas himself that broke with the Southern Democrats over the Lecompton constitution which really only affected the Kansas territory, not Nebraska.
Ditto.
Maybe because you don't know crap about the topics so instead you just make a pest of yourself.
Again, ditto.
On every one of these threads I've always start out trying to engage your side in reasonable debate and every time I post something that your side doesn't like but can't refute you start with the stupid crap, the whiny liberal emotional pablum, the name calling, the homosexual allegations, the red herrings and, then, like the well schooled Alinskytes that you are, you try to turn in back on me/us. So far, you're no different. All you've done is help fill the gap that NS left. You were never on these threads until his departure.
(BTW, why don't you attack your comrades for their "little school girl games", huh?)
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