Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz
The Civil War is about to loom very large in the popular memory. We would do well to be candid about its causes and not allow the distortions of contemporary politics or long-standing myths to cloud our understanding of why the nation fell apart.
The coming year will mark the 150th anniversary of the onset of the conflict, which is usually dated to April 12, 1861, when Confederate batteries opened fire at 4:30 a.m. on federal troops occupying Fort Sumter. Union forces surrendered the next day, after 34 hours of shelling.
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in·sur·rec·tion –noun
an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.
The medicine got made in January, 1854, and you're correct, Jefferson Davis was then Secretary of War in the Franklin Pierce cabinet; but he was representing Southern interests when he advocated a southerly route for the Transcontinental Railroad, and it was he who carried the Southern proxy on the railroad.
Jefferson Davis curriculum vitae in Wiki.
The political deal foundered in the controversy over the Lecompton convention and constitution. That's why the railroad act didn't go forward until 1862, when the Northern interests passed the Railroad Act without Southern representation in the Congress, and without Sen. Douglas, who died in 1861.
At some point in the distant past I saw a representation or discussion of head-to-head discussions between Davis and Douglas that resulted in Douglas's going ahead with Kansas-Nebraska. The point of that discussion being that the real goal of Kansas-Nebraska (for Sen. Douglas) was to secure the railhead for the Northern Plains. As it turned out, Omaha-Council Bluffs was selected by the Civil War Congress.
Jefferson Davis was heavily involved in both the Kansas-Nebraska and Transcontinental Railroad issues, both as a senator and as Pierce's secretary of war, in which capacity he filed annual reports on the railroad, recommending routes, as well as one detailed special report in 1855, all in response to the Army Appropriation Act of 1853.
Early Railroad Surveys and Transcontinental Routes
The political meetings with Douglas were more crowded than I recall reading about, and involved President Pierce, Douglas, and other Democratic senators supporting Douglas and Kansas-Nebraska, with Secretary Davis as the meeting facilitator. Some of this activity is described in Wiki.
Davis returned to the Senate after his term of office as Secretary of War was over, and resigned in January 1862 when Mississippi seceded.
Dude. The NWO was unconstitutional. Look up Article IV.
You might just also search through the old ACW threads for the place where you, Non-Sequitur, 4CJ, rustbucket, I think Pea Ridge, and one or two other people had a blazing gun-battle over the constitutionality of the NWO. I stayed out of it pretty much, iirc, because it was, well, "your issue", and I was pretty much a spectator. It was all entailed in a larger discussion of Dred Scott and the "personal liberty" laws of the Old Northwest States. (Illinois did have slavery for some time after statehood, since the French had introduced it in the 18th century iirc.) There was a big discussion about Illinois and their history of emancipation, and another about Pennsylvania and their partial, limited abolition which converted chattel slaves to indentured, and specified a term of indenture for slaves thus converted, in their bondage/modified abolition act.
I'll let you guys do the looking who are better at cruising old FR threads than I am (I'm on dialup and have not-so-hot search skillz).
Hey. Foul.
Your interlocutor replied to your 934, which made a reductionist claim, by countering with a comment about reductionism as a tool in argument.
How does that equate to validation of your prejudices about white Southerners?
The sooner all the red states are 100% republican and the blue states 100% democrat, the sooner the fun can begin. It is taking a little longer than I thought.
Substantiate your claim or withdraw it, that anyone in this forum has seceded from the Union and/or owned black slaves.
That goes for both of you agitators.
Hey, Lenny, speaking of substantiating your claim, did you ever tell us which Alfred Hitchcock movies had “The cretinous, snaggle-toothed, gnarly swamp-dweller in red suspenders with vacant eyes and a sweat-stained slouch hat” that you said was “a staple in his films”?
Why do you keep posting red herrings?
Just respond to post# 1090, punkcake.
Beg for it booboo.
insurrection - a conflict in which one faction tries to wrest control from another
Interesting admission of the core attributes of the antebellum south. Thanks!
Post# 1090.
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Post# 1171.
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slav·er·y (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
2. a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection
No?
Didn't think so. Get back to me, will you?
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Did it ever dawn on you that your whiny, frenzied, vitriolic attacks on conservatives and your constant taunting and baiting for open insurrection and subversive behavior by conservatives helps to paint that stereotype?
Of course you did. So why do you continue to do it? Because you're a left wing POS that wants this site to look bad.
I'm calling you out as a left wing plant on FR and strongly suggest that the mods revoke your account.
“That was an Alfred Hitchcock caricature — a staple in his films. The cretinous, snaggle-toothed, gnarly swamp-dweller in red suspenders with vacant eyes and a sweat-stained slouch hat — a reflexive murrrderrrer. That sort of thing.”
How embarrassing (for you). You took the hysterical ramblings of an overwrought pokie, embellished them of your own accord, and then projected that invention onto your opponents in the hope that no one notice the rant imbecility of your act.
Now you wish to distract with a snipe-hunt?!
Class Dismissed
"There isn’t a part of this country that I dislike. As a matter of fact, although I have never been to north-east I don’t even think I’d dislike that ;-)"
858 posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 5:02:34 PM by rockrr
Answer for you blatant lies, punkcake.
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