Posted on 12/20/2010 3:43:37 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
Exactly 150 years after South Carolina became the first state to leave the United States, a group whose purpose is to preserve Confederate history is holding a dance in Charleston.
The NAACP plans to protest Monday night's "Secession Ball." Leaders of the civil rights group have said it makes no sense to honor men who committed treason in order to maintain a system that kept black men and woman in bondage as slaves.
But organizers of the ball say their intention is to honor men who were willing to die to protect their vision of states' rights and what this nation was supposed to be.
The Secession Ball is happening just blocks from where 169 men voted unanimously 150 years ago to leave the United States.
A protest rally is scheduled for 4:30pm at Emanuel AME Church on Calhoun Street and the group will march past the Gaillard Auditorium to Morris Brown AME Church on Morris Street.
Meanwhile, a new historical marker will identify the site where South Carolina delegates signed the Ordinance of Secession. The marker was unveiled Monday in downtown Charleston, where Institute Hall once stood.
The marker identifies what was Charleston's largest pre-Civil War public space, with seats for 3,000 people. It hosted the 1860 Democratic national convention, which split when Southern delegates wanted to adopt a party platform protecting slavery.
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I am very proud that they stood up for states rights, whether you or I or anyone else like or dislikes the reason given for leaving is no concern of yours or mine but only of the citizens of that state. To think otherwise makes you a fascist. Are you a fascist?
I am surprised Wilkes Booth had the time and the wherewithal to write anything at all after Ford’s Theater. In any event, his was a very tortured soul.
The reason for leaving the Union is of consequence. And the only reason provided in the “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union” was that their ability to own humans as slaves was threatened by the election of Lincoln.
And they made that declaration on Christmas Eve.
At first I thought you were making words up again, but sure enough there is a definition for “homophobian”:
A closeted homosexual who makes fun of homos to mask his or her own homosexuality. Homophobians like to use the words fag, faggot, gay, queer, homo, and other funny words.
Yep, that’s you alright.
Then they need to shut down Congress and clear the traitor out of the White House!
jeff davis - the original “selected, not elected ‘president’” LOL
The old saying about South Carolina was that it was too small to be a nation and too large for an insane asylum. They tended to produce the most extreme pro-slavery politicians in the antebellum period.
I read somewhere that the very first week of the 1st Congress in 1789, a representative from South Carolina threatened to secede. So they don't seem to have thought that their ratification of the Constitution was an irrevocable step.
If it had not been for secession and the Civil War, slavery would have continued for decades more, at least. Even the Republican Party in 1860 did not assert the right to interfere with slavery where it was already established.
Imho, the Civil War was more about money than anything else. Ending slavery was used as the “cause” and is a great outcome, but ultimately, like every war, it was about power and money.
EXACTLY!
The situation here in SC is much the same. The NAACP made a lot of noise but have been a paper tiger. I’ve not heard of any adverse effect from their supposed boycott.
That gives me a lump in my throat.
If anything, we’d like to lose some of the bisuness we DO get, namely the “Black Beach Break” events, where they make Hwy 90 into a huge parking lot, enter convenience stores to carry off the beer they don’t drop everywhere , leave without paying the restaurant bill for huge parties, leave without paying for gas, thump rap music long and loud all night, terrorise the citizens (such as the young girls leaving a mall who had their blouses stripped from them by a pack of the “young men just out wilding”-and this was recorded on camera and was on the local news), urinating and defecating in people’s yards, blocking neighborhood streets so that the legal residents are not allowed to get to their homes without ID-if then, with the blockage. We WISH they’d boycott! They know we could do without their presence for this purpose so they threaten to come back every year. If they weren’t just wanting to be defiant and “show whitey”, I can’t see why they’d want to-there’s not that much for young people to do unless they just want to drink, drug, have public sex amd make nuisances of themselves, there are plenty of places where they’d have a lot more to do, if they want to anything besides what they do here!
...and the South had something that the North wanted.
Imho, the Civil War was more about money than anything else. Ending slavery was used as the “cause” and is a great outcome, but ultimately, like every war, it was about power and money.
EXACTLY!
Ladies & Gentlemen:
Tis a fruitless discussion for the “Secession” minded among us to enter into with those of a “Union” mindset. Those mindsets aren’t likely to change — even after 150 years and over 1 million wartime casualties. Not to mention the impoverishing of an entire region of the continent (including ALL citizens — red, yellow, BLACK & WHITE) under the direction of the Federals who conquered it.
We can simplify this into terms we might understand for today’s world, even here on FreeRepublic, in the “conservative” community.
Think of those of us who are still “secession-minded” as Conservatives who favor States Rights. We favor Constitutionalism, the originalist interpretation of the Constitution, the VERY limited role of a Federal Government to JUST the enumerated powers of the Constitution, and the very REAL role of the 10th Amendment as a check on Federal power. To that end, we would favor nullification as a viable check on Federal laws — the States can simply REFUSE to allow enforcement of Unconstitutional federal laws — and YES, States retain the right, even NOW, to secede from the Union when the Federal Union breaks the ORIGINAL CONTRACT clearly delineated in the Constitution which CREATED our Republic. Those who hold these views would in general be understood as SMALL GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES (aka “States Rights” Conservatives).
Think of those who espouse pro-Union views here, or “Union-minded” conservatives as those who believe in the central role of the Federal Government. They believe that the Federal Government, NOT the States, is the sole arbiter of the Bill of Rights and how it is applied, and that the powers once reserved for the States and the People were, due to the Rebellion (and the passage of the 14th Amendment and the reinterpretation of the Courts of the Interstate Commerce Clause) transferred to the Federal Government and largely removed FROM the states and the people. Thus, the Federal Government can and MUST regulate, police, control and enforce all aspects of the lives of it’s citizens, on every level, local, state, and federal, and the governments on those levels must be understood as merely extensions of or appendages to the Federal Government in Washington, DC. Ultimately, the decisions made by the Federal Government in Washington, DC are binding and authoritative on all levels and about every aspect of life based on the necessary power the central government has had to take on since at least the Civil War. Those who hold to this view are what we would call, today, “BIG GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES.” (I use “conservatives” only in the current political parlance. Ideologically, it would be largely inaccurate). Many believe they are “conservatives.” They even populate FR. But ultimately, when their backs are against the wall, they will opt to let Washington decide who’s “free” and who’s not. They won’t let those decision belong to “the States...or to the people.”
"I'm really happy of the attitude of most of the young people that were here. I'm really happy the way they were and how respectful they were. The majority seemed to understand why we were here and why we were keeping things in order." -Biloxi Police Chief John Miller
"It was a lot of cops and you couldn't make a u-turn, but we had a good time, and we even went to church today, so we're blessed and highly favored, and I want to let my pastor know I went to church," said Felisha Magee from Tylertown.
Police said they talked with event promoters about working together ahead of time to make the event run even better next year.
They don’t take into account the walk-outs from businesses, residents’ frustration at being unable to get to their homes when neighborhood streets are blocked, being forced to listen to screamed crude vulgarities day and night, non-stop rap “music” loud enough to give you a heart arrythmnia, etc. As long as an incident involving violence didn’t occur, they call it a day.
In full:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
But here is the only reason they can give for secession. Because the northern states were disgusted by the abomination of slavery. They did not wish to be degrading themselves by returning escaped slaves to be raped and tormented by their so-called masters.
In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.
The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: “No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.”
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.
The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
The South seceded for slavery. The Confederacy was never about anything else.
I revere Lincoln, hate slavery and love the South, even to the point of doin´ er agin if destined.
So they instead chose to degrade themselves by violating the Constitution?
The South seceded for slavery. The Confederacy was never about anything else.
Au contraire. You aren't taking into account the four states which seceded due to Lincoln's demand for troops. From the Arkansas Ordinance of Secession:
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union now existing between the State of Arkansas and the other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."
Whereas, in addition to the well-founded causes of complaint set forth by this convention, in resolutions adopted on the 11th of March, A.D. 1861, against the sectional party now in power in Washington City, headed by Abraham Lincoln, he has, in the face of resolutions passed by this convention pledging the State of Arkansas to resist to the last extremity any attempt on the part of such power to coerce any State that had seceded from the old Union, proclaimed to the world that war should be waged against such States until they should be compelled to submit to their rule, and large forces to accomplish this have by this same power been called out, and are now being marshaled to carry out this inhuman design; and to longer submit to such rule, or remain in the old Union of the United States, would be disgraceful and ruinous to the State of Arkansas:
For a war that was not about slavery, South Carolina sure did focus on their right to keep fellow human beings in bondage in their declaration to leave the Union.
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