Dance, protests to mark 150 years since SC left US

WIS TV ^ | Dec 20, 2010

[Jet Jaguar]

Exactly 150 years after South Carolina became the first state to leave the United States, a group whose purpose is to preserve Confederate history is holding a dance in Charleston.

The NAACP plans to protest Monday night's "Secession Ball." Leaders of the civil rights group have said it makes no sense to honor men who committed treason in order to maintain a system that kept black men and woman in bondage as slaves.

But organizers of the ball say their intention is to honor men who were willing to die to protect their vision of states' rights and what this nation was supposed to be.

The Secession Ball is happening just blocks from where 169 men voted unanimously 150 years ago to leave the United States.

A protest rally is scheduled for 4:30pm at Emanuel AME Church on Calhoun Street and the group will march past the Gaillard Auditorium to Morris Brown AME Church on Morris Street.

Meanwhile, a new historical marker will identify the site where South Carolina delegates signed the Ordinance of Secession. The marker was unveiled Monday in downtown Charleston, where Institute Hall once stood.

The marker identifies what was Charleston's largest pre-Civil War public space, with seats for 3,000 people. It hosted the 1860 Democratic national convention, which split when Southern delegates wanted to adopt a party platform protecting slavery.

[MBB1984]

People should fetishize treason if desirable to maintain limited and less oppressive government. That is what July 4th celebrates.

[carton253]

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[Moose4]

Their “boycott” couldn’t even keep hundreds of thousands of black bikers out of Atlantic Beach every Memorial Day. The only people it ever hurt were Gullah tour operators down in the Lowcountry.

}:-)4

[mac_truck]

It wasn’t “tens of thousands of dollars”, for a start. Many businesses have decided they’d rather take the small loss in profits rather have themselves or their families exposed to the kinds of outrageous spectacles to which the community was treated.

I was being conservative in my estimate. It was more like hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent over that weekend in Biloxi. The economic impact of Biloxi Spring Break was enormously positive.

It’s also more than “minor convenience”—our local police were more than happy to work with the promotors in order to reach a balance between ensuring a fun time for the partieirs and a sense of orderliness for the residemts. The promotoers were opposed to this, they framed it as allowing the police to know where they would likely be, makimg it more difficult to avoid police oversight fo r the good of all. They were just completely non-cooperative.

nonsense. The promoters of the event did work with police and did get the necessary permits. Chief Miller had positive things to say about both the organizers and the attendees. He even apologized for restricting a left turn at the end of town that created the traffic backup on I-90. Maybe what's really bothering the Biloxi citizens council is the fact that the event doesn't line their pockets.

We jave Mrdi Gras along the stretch of the Coast every year and it’s never been anything like this. The routes are planned, contingincies are allowed for for people who have to be places, and there’s certainly no feel that a ghetto strip club has set up along with the accompanying loudly shouted vulgarities and crude acts.

Sounds more like the organizers of Spring Break were wildly sucesssful in attracting tourists to Biloxi. Its hard to predict in a recession how many folks ae going to be able to take a vacation. -btw If there's never been a crude act or vulgarity uttered during Mardi Gras, then I'm the Easter Bunny.

[mstar]

Tis a fruitless discussion for the “Secession” minded among us to enter into with those of a “Union” mindset. Those mindsets aren’t likely to change — even after 150 years and over 1 million wartime casualties. Not to mention the impoverishing of an entire region of the continent (including ALL citizens — red, yellow, BLACK & WHITE) under the direction of the Federals who conquered it.

Excellent read patriot preacher. . . thank you so much for sharing . . .

and thank you Ms. Sunshine, THE LADY, for thinking of our motley crew of Rebs and the ping. :)

[Altura Ct.]

The NAACP can cram it.

[southernsunshine]

It was one document, like the Declaration of Independence. Whey edit it? You still haven't answered the question. You won't answer the question.

South Carolina's Ordinance of Secession was passed on December 10, 1865 and Her Declaration of Causes on December 24, 1861. There is no editing going on.

Secession was undertaken to defend slavery. The Confederacy was a defense of slavery. Its whole purpose was to defend slavery. Secession and the Confederacy had no other purpose. No slavery = no secession = no Confederacy.

You still ignore the states which seceded due to Lincoln's demand for troops. Why?

I agree that history isn't pretty. Yet who is looking back, who is having a ball to commemorate the anniversary of secession, i.e. to commemorate slavery? If you want a curtain drawn over the past then you'd better draw it over the past. Some people want the right to remember the past they want to remember, but to forbid the right to remember the past to others. How convenient.

I don't see South Carolina drawing a curtain over anything. Has she ever denied slavery? Nope. It appears you are the one that only remembers the past as you want to remember. The North was more sinner than saint. When you are pointing a finger at someone, there are always three pointing right back at you.

[rockrr]

Homophobic

–noun
1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
2. intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality
See: central_va

Why do you ask?

Dictionary.com

[southernsunshine]

Surely if there were reasons for secession that South Carolina forgot, the other secessionists would have mentioned them. They didn't because there were no others.

Wrong again. There were other reasons listed by other states. If you read the documents you will find them.

[southernsunshine]

The war. The war itself was started by the secessionists firing unprovoked at American soldiers, in an American fort, built with American money, on American soil which was voluntarily purchased by and ceded to the Federal government by the government of the State of South Carolina as per Article I, Section 8., the relevant part:

From Lincoln's correspondence to Gustavus Fox:

...You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result.

So now the question becomes; why did Lincoln want war?

[RebelTex]

Excellent post, well worded and concise, preacher.

You chose the right name, to which you do much honor. I salute you sir for your ability to clearly and quickly cut to the heart of the matter and expose what is obvious to most of us, but who lack the clarity of speech to elucidate our thoughts.

Thank you for preachin’ it like it is.

FReegards,
RT

[southernsunshine]

South Carolina's Ordinance of Secession was passed on December 10, 1865... (Sunshine)

Correction: Should read December 20, 1865 NOT December 10, 1865.

[southernsunshine]

and thank you Ms. Sunshine, THE LADY, for thinking of our motley crew of Rebs and the ping. :)

Right back at ya LADY mstar:) Merry CHRISTmas!

[little jeremiah]

Phobia means fear of, not hatred of.

It’s a word made up by homosexual agenda pushers to shut up the opposition. I’m always suspicious when anyone uses it, since it’s nothing but a propaganda word.

[rockrr]

The experts disagree with your limited interpretation.

[the OlLine Rebel]

a) fear of humans
b) fear of sameness

[TheBigIf]

The experts? Wrong.

The word homophobic is a completely made up word by the progressive fascist in order to demonize those who do not follow the left-wing perverted morality. It has no scientific basis at all, there is no test that shows any such condition, it is completely made up.

The word first appeared in Screw magazine in the late sixties from what I have found. The fact of the matter is that homosexuality is a perversion of natural sexuality and having a disgust of it is healthy and not a phobia.

[little jeremiah]

“Experts”? They all happen to be queer themselves. Ha ha. It’s a made up word to shut people up, that’s all.

[BroJoeK]

southernsunshine: "Imho, the Civil War was more about money than anything else. Ending slavery was used as the “cause” and is a great outcome, but ultimately, like every war, it was about power and money."

patriot preacher: "EXACTLY!"

patriot preacher: "We can simplify this into terms we might understand for today’s world, even here on FreeRepublic, in the “conservative” community."

What you do is over-simplify and distort the views of conservatives who support the Union cause in the Civil War.

patriot preacher: "Think of those who espouse pro-Union views here, or “Union-minded” conservatives as those who believe in the central role of the Federal Government. They believe that the Federal Government, NOT the States, is the sole arbiter..."

Nonsense. All conservatives understand that the Constitution enumerates certain powers to the Federal Government, and all others are reserved to the States and the people.

The issue of a supposed "right of unilateral secession" is totally separate -- yes, you can make your secession case until the cows come home, but those conservatives who disagree with you on this subject do not agree that the Federal Government has all powers to do whatever the h*ll it wants to.

However, among its enumerated powers, the Federal Government is required to:

• "suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; "
• suspend Habeas Corpus "when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."
• Protect the States against invasion, and domestic violence.

These are the Constitutional powers that President Lincoln and Congress invoked in suppressing the Southern Rebellion.

So, whether or not unilateral secession itself was constitutional (it was not), the South's seizure of Federal properties, attacks on Federal forces plus invasions of Union territories and states were certainly acts of invasion, rebellion and domestic violence as enumerated in the Constitution.

The real truth of the matter is that the South provoked war because they wanted a Second War of Independence, to establish the Confederacy's legitimacy and make Jefferson Davis the new George Washington.

But unlike Washington, Davis & Co. were never able to secure the foreign allies that would have been necessary to actually win their Second War of Independence.

Finally, virtually everyone posting here in defense of Lincoln and the Union, would agree with Lincoln that secession could be perfectly legal, if approved by Congress.

But lacking such Congressional approval, Lincoln's constitutional duty was to preserve the union against rebellion, invasion and domestic violence -- and that's just what he did.

[cowboyway]

South Carolina’s ordinance of secession had a flaw: it told the truth. Slavery, Slavery, Slavery!

States rights was the cause; slavery was the occasion. (you can't ignore the fact that a)slavery was protected by the Constitution and b)slaves were property, also protected by the Constitution)

Think about it with this hypothetical: the state of California wants to allow same sex marriage. A president is elected who opposes same sex marriage and has verbalized his intentions to amend the Constitution to prohibit same sex marriage. The people of the state of California say, no thanks; we'll secede. Now, did they secede because they're all a bunch of flaming fags that want to marry each other or did they secede because of states rights (10th Amendment)?

As for the northern degrading itself, how? The northern states weren’t engaging in slavery.

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?!?!?

You need a history lesson: Slavery in the North