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To: patlin

Farah gets his facts wrong by the third sentence. John McCain had no eligibility issues. He was born the son of two Americans, that makes him a natural born American citizen.

Joseph Farah and World Net Daily are so wrong, so often, that I think he is a leftist plant. His only purpose is to make Conservatives look ridiculous.


4 posted on 03/01/2010 4:07:32 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Obama’s mother was American so that also makes him a natural born American.


6 posted on 03/01/2010 4:12:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

You’re right. If guys like Farah were getting paid by Axelrod, they could not do a better job making conservatives appear to be idiots.

Conservatives and libertarians are winning on the issues, and are headed for a big electoral victory in November. Democrats hope to dampen that victory, by pointing to idiots like Farah, and arguing that this breed of freak represents the face of opposition to Obama. I keep asking the Birthers on FR, a small but vocal minority: If you’re so effective, then why does Obama love you so much? Why does to give you publicity, at every opportunity?


7 posted on 03/01/2010 4:17:56 AM PST by BCrago66
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To: GreenLanternCorps
"Farah gets his facts wrong by the third sentence. John McCain had no eligibility issues."

A truly vitriolic screed, but at least you were dead wrong.

The "issue" of McCain's eligibility was raised; interestingly enough, by the Obunga camp. McCain's staffers dug up and provided the documentation to appropriately answer this raised issue. Indeed, McCain, it turns out, was eligible.

Now, how did McCain's staff know to produce his birth documents if nobody raised the "issue?" Ahh! They knew because somebody raised "the issue." This was the "issue" that McCain "had" to respond to.

So your assertion that McCain "had no eligibility issue" is actually a subtle twisting of the facts, which are that, despite having had an actual eligibility issue, McCain addressed it properly. This does not mean that there was no issue to begin with, quite the contrary.

That is all Farrah was, quite factually, stating.

These wordistic sleights-of-hand are best left to the Democrats... who are the experts. GLC.

;-/

8 posted on 03/01/2010 4:30:39 AM PST by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
He was born the son of two Americans, that makes him a natural born American citizen.

How does having two citizen parents satisfy the Jus Soli requirement?

11 posted on 03/01/2010 4:38:45 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

“John McCain had no eligibility issues”

You might want to (re)Google cause you would be wrong.


17 posted on 03/01/2010 5:00:07 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

The Left was making a big issue of McCain being born in Panama. Even though it was a straw man to divert attention from Obama’s problems the Republicans were spooked by it.

Truth never interested the Left and with the media on the side of the Left the Republicans often side step issues rather than march against the wind in a blizzard of media propaganda.


18 posted on 03/01/2010 5:09:28 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Farah gets his facts wrong by the third sentence. John McCain had no eligibility issues. He was born the son of two Americans, that makes him a natural born American citizen.

You got your facts wrong in the second sentence. If John McCain did not have an eligibility issue then why did he ask the Senate for a resolution to deal with his eligibility issue???

19 posted on 03/01/2010 5:32:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Joseph Farah and World Net Daily are so wrong, so often, that I think he is a leftist plant. His only purpose is to make Conservatives look ridiculous.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who’s the conspiracy nut here? You or Farah?

Farah is a leftist plant? Really? Who planted him? The captain of the mother ship?


25 posted on 03/01/2010 5:43:13 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Farah gets his facts wrong by the third sentence. John McCain had no eligibility issues.

Yes he did, so much so that Senate Resolution 511 was passed....and signed by none other that bammie him self.

38 posted on 03/01/2010 6:14:48 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Farah gets his facts wrong by the third sentence. John McCain had no eligibility issues. He was born the son of two Americans, that makes him a natural born American citizen.

A natural born citizen is not the same as a native born citizen. The definition of a natural born citizen is a person born in the US to two US citizens. The definition is meant to eliminate dual loyalties.

John McCain was born to two US citizens, but in a hospital in Panama, while his father was stationed there. This is why questions regarding his constitutional eligibility ( Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, of the U. S. Constitution) were raised during the last presidential election. McCain presented extensive documentation to congress, which stated he met the definition.

IF Obama's story is true, although he was born in Hawaii, both his parents were not US citizens.
67 posted on 03/01/2010 6:57:19 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Wrong as you may think it to be, the US State Dept. says that it has never been determined.

Department of State's Foreign Affairs Manual at 7FAM1116.1-4(c) states;

http://www.state.gov/m/a/dir/regs/fam/c22712.htm

“Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”

The Foreign Affairs Manual further weighs in on the issue as follows:

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President,”

c. The Constitution does not define “natural born”.

The “Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat.103,104) provided that, “...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes. (Emphasis added.)

John McCain was neither born on United States soil, nor was he naturalized. He is a citizen at birth by statute. This is discussed in the Foreign Affairs Manual:

7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”

Section 201(g) NA and section 301(g) INA (formerly section 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is

“the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth.”

McCain is none of the above. He wasn't born on United States soil and he wasn't naturalized in the United States. Instead, McCain may claim citizenship from 8 USC 1403(a):

“Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.”

138 posted on 03/01/2010 9:51:41 AM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: GreenLanternCorps

McCain had no eligibility issue?

Then why did congress pass a resolution that he was a NBC by virtue of the fact he had two parents with American citizenship? Why bother?


226 posted on 03/01/2010 4:22:37 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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