Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
Yep. I am pretty darned sure. I think I already posted this to you, but just in case.....
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/amendment-confirmed/
It might take me a few minutes. I’m having one of my tickle fits over the Orly thinggggg. I’m having to cover my mouth so I don’t wake up the rest of the house. I can just see her talking legal strategy with her lawyer pal, and they’re like “Okay, whats bigger than the federal government-—oh I know,the “world”....that’s it, we’ll appeal this up to the world. The U N...”
parsy, who is hurting.....Bwaahaahahaaa
Would it matter that 0bama's time of birth was about 7:30 PM, which would make it after a weekly transmission done during normal adminstrative hours?
LOL (grinning)
Ah O’rly... yes, endlessly entertaining. I can’t decide if she is for really releasing Obama’s records proving he is an NBC or not. Because she acts as she does, she brings mocking onto herself, which is ONLY serving to assist Barack in macking Birthers so solidly that what should be seriously investigated as a crime of Treason, is being treated like a joke.
It’s not a joke. If its true and Obama isn’t an NBC as I think, then we do not have a constitutional Government, and he and congress can do what they like. Just look at what they have done so far (Cap n tax, Health Carere defining the COnstitution to mean what they WANT it to mean rather than what it was WRITTEN to mean etc ad nausium), the only think holding them back is the fact that gatherings like tea party in DC, where in reality well over a million people attended.... yea, they can’t push to hard or too fast or they will have an armed revolution to fight, and that’s not a PR winner there boys... that’s a bird they want to keep off the table.
That being said, this congress and Administration are trashing the Constitution and what it is supposed to PREVENT in order to secure US the little guys the SAME amount of Freedom the founding fathers enjoyed... They are tearing those protections to shreds as fast as they can. What’s the hurry? Weren’t they supposed to have a 40 year long Democrat Majority or something like that??? Um....yea, THIS is how they were planning to accomplish that unconstitutional rule.
O’rly is an overall distraction to some very serious questions. I wish she would be more professional about it all. Because she is obscuring the real issues with such a HUGE target of mockery.
Not one will look past her to actually SEE if there is something to this. Its frustrating. But she is entertaining, and she is keeping the issue in the press, and in the spirit of “there is no such thing as bad press” she is a benefit. But then she helps do that so much it hurts... (ack!)
Like I said, I am torn on that one.
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! LOL Thats a GREAT shot!
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| > Here is what is weird. I can see people spending time on > something they believe and on someone they believe is lying >> Logical and on the money. One thing I've noticed on this thread, which has been reinforced by similar threads ... The After-Birthers scatter like cockroaches when Obama's credibility is brought up as a main reason NOT to TRUST the circumstances surrounding his birth. They cannot defend his history of lies. That is Obama's Achilles heel — his credibility. Criminal attorneys, early in their schooling, are taught the phrase, There's one simple reason why. It works.
In Obama's case, there is absolutely NO reason to trust that he did NOT tamper with his birth records after he made the decision to run for president in November 2004.
NO reason at all.
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Mabye to remove Lolo’s adoption of him? Returning his Birth status to that which it was before the Adoption? Maybe?? He wanted something done, went to Kapiolani to visit G-ma who broke a hip... and later died...the whole scenario might have been sad, but it proves he had the means by which to get to all the places in Hawaii he would need to go to make certain that some documents got lost and which didn’t “get lost”...
Whew, had to go sit on the side of the bed for a minute and regain my composure. I got a headache I was laughing so hard. I reviewed the documents. IMHO, Poor Butter has lost her bearings in a sea of government red tape, state employee inexactitude, and bureaucratic confusion.
In my last few jobs, I had to deal with this on a fairly regular basis, and nothing I saw in her documents convinces me there is any cover up, or that there is an amended document.
She is latching onto the details of the language (trees) and missing the forest. This happens a lot.Over the years, I developed a very good approach to dealing with state employees, and I good as I was, there were still times I ended up in red tape hell.
Recently, on one matter, I sat before a state employee with a clear copy of the law and several opinions from the attorney general. I did not get my way, and had to use the system to get thru the system.
FOIA requests often turn into turf battles. It isn’t just the state. One can run into the same thing with agencies, and big businesses.
What Poor Butter did, was confuse the language “a denial is a confirmation” with actual confirmation.
Let me give you a very practical example. I want to serve legal papers on Bob Smith, who is dodging me. I am not sure where he works. So I call Flump Trucking. “Hey is Bob Smith gonna be in town this weekend? I got to bring his bar b q grill back.”
If I get either a yes he is or a no he isn’t——I know that Bob Smith works there. The denial is a confirmation of what I am trying to discover. That is because what I am trying to discover isn’t whether Bob will be in or not-—it’s whether he works there.
Now smart people, or state agencies, can be aware of this kind of snooping. Hence, the glomar response. But a state agency, if there ain’t a glomar form in the slot, are just as likely to print out a denial. The language will indicate the denial is a confirmation, but it ain’t. Someone was just too busy to grab the right form. Or, they don’t understand it in the first place.
Trust me here. I have done enough of this kind of snooping, that I know the layout. Here I get no confirming “vibes” that this was a cover-up.
parsy, who has played a few games in his time
The Birth Certificate Amendment process is SO easy in Hawaii. §338-15 Late or altered certificates. A person born in the State may file or amend a certificate after the time prescribed, upon submitting proof as required by rules adopted by the department of health. Certificates registered after the time prescribed for filing by the rules of the department of health shall be registered subject to any evidentiary requirements that the department adopts by rule to substantiate the alleged facts of birth.
Attorney General Opinions: Section provides for the alteration of only birth certificates. Att. Gen. Op. 84-14. I once heard of a scumbag tricking his rich great-aunt into signing an Irrevocable Power of Attorney along with an Irrevocable Trust to "legally" bilk millions of dollars from the family. She thought she was signing a benign permission slip regarding her medical care. When I look at Obama, I feel I'm looking at the poster boy of the criminally insane. I really do. Getting a Power of Attorney from grandmother "Toots" in her waning days — who died a few days before the November 2008 election — so he could "correct" his records is VERY plausible. I can see Obama submitting an affidavit from ol' Toots to the Hawaii Family Court via closed session to make such "corrections", too. Obama is not a man to be trusted. He's shown this time and time again. Obama would have said anything, or done anything, to become president. Ask the PUMAs — they'd tell you that, too!
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Placemark.
| Trust me here. I have done enough of this kind of snooping, that I know the layout. Here I get no confirming “vibes” that this was a cover-up. parsy, who has played a few games in his time Ditto. I've dealt with scumbag, lying, sacks of sh!t like Obama on both a professional and personal level. I know EXACTLY what he's capable of. Furthermore, your "I got a headache I was laughing so hard" garbage is as obvious as the cries of "RACIST" during the 2008 election and last year's Town Hall meetings. That doesn't work anymore, does it? We are undeterred, as those who question Obama's Eligibility continues to grow and grow. We're quite on to your and other Obots' tactics, parnip:
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Book’em Danno!
So when is the obot graveyard shift going to show up?
Somebody needs to get their secret call in number and wake them up, gonna be some interesting headlines today.
Mr. ENDER PIGGLY WIGGINS LIES LIKE A PIG !!
Piggly Wiggins.
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