DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[butterdezillion]

Any idea of the timeframe that all that happened?

[mojitojoe]

and that's why he won't run again or will try to pass something that says they don't have to show proof.

[mojitojoe]

and that's why he won't run again or will try to pass something that says they don't have to show proof.

[butterdezillion]

That graphic made me laugh out loud, mojitojoe. Thanks.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You’re deliberately taking my words out of context. I specifically said the clerks at the registrar’s office likely didn’t have data entry terminals at each of their desks.

Yes, of course they probably had a mainframe for the master filesystem. I seriously doubt the clerks were punching cards though.

You’re ridiculous.

[Man50D]

There is no law or provision that a candidate must prove his eligibility to be president.

Oh really? Then why does each party submit a nomination document with the following statement on the document?

This is to certify that at the national convention of the (party name) of the United States Of America held in (location of party convention) on (date) the following were duly nominated as candidates of said party for President and Vice President of the United State are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution:

[Danae]

I follow you and yes, BINGO "Re: The numbers preceding Barry’s would have been used already by the time the Nordyke’s rolled in three days later. So how could this be."

Even in Barry were born at home, it was still filed 3 days before the Nordyke's were. If we are assuming that all three are legit.

If you hypothesize that one of the two groups is NOT legit, which would you pick? The two twin girls who have consecutive numbers, and we can see a long form form of that is consistant with Long Forms from Hawaii in 1961? Or Barry's COLB which could be representative of a BC that was amended just before he began running for President?



Um Hum. Perhaps Barry decided that because Hawaii could not make all the changes he really needed to have made, he "arranged" with all his Chicago connections a third party friendly to his campaign and mission, to "Post" what he wanted put on the internet, rather than the real document, which had information on it he did not want released. A file that had information in it that would kill his candidacy? It would explain why Hawaii won't even confirm that the number on the COLB posted at FactCheck is the actual number that is on his records, as is required by Hawaii State Law as the information was made public by Obama himself.... It's not subject to privacy laws any more.

Take into account that A FOIA request made by Phillip Berg revealed there were no records with the State Department RE Obama and any passport applications.... how did he get a passport to go to Pakistan in 81? He didn't travel on a US passport, which leads me to believe that perhaps Barry is listed as British on his Long Form. Either way, that alone is an indication that he voluntarily gave up his citizenship at some time in his life, and his amended Birth Records somehow show that, likely when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. The Nordyke's don't smell funny, and there is no reason for them to have inconsistent birth records.

Barry cannot say the same.

[patlin]

I never made that claim.

That simply isn’t plausible given the human factor that would have been involved in 1961.
I worked as a title clerk at an automobile dealership during college. The Sales and Finance staff brought up stacks of paperwork every couple of days for vehicles that needed to be titled. Paperwork never went through their offices in an orderly manner. There was always something missing or incomplete: missing signatures, incomplete odometer statements, etc.

I didn’t process paperwork by the date a vehicle was sold/purchased. I processed stacks of paperwork from the top of the stack to the bottom of the stack setting aside any paperwork for which I still needed something. That meant that vehicles were assigned tag numbers according to when I received the paperwork, their order in the current stack I was processing, and when I was finally able to complete the titlework. The date of sale had little correlation with the assigned tag number.

The paperwork for two separate vehicles purchased on the same day and sold by two different salesmen weren’t automatically processed and titled on the same day or even the same week.

84 posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:00:05 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)

59 posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:47:23 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)

Now who is the one full of sh*t. Your who argument is that paperwork stacked up and numbers were not issued in order of the dates the filings were made. Then you try to lie about it.

I think you have exceeded your limit of koolaide for the day, you seem to be zig-zagging and are not able to keep your story in a straight line.

[EnderWiggins]

"Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively."

1. Are the comments in parentheses Okubo's? Or were those added by you?

2. What Hawaiian birth record or records has different fields for “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar?” The long forms I am looking at has neither, and the COLBs only have one or the other, apparently depending on the year the COLB was issued.

3. Some COLBs say "Date Accepted by State Registrar" and others say "Date Filed by Registrar." As far as I can tell none of them say "Date Filed by the State Registrar." Why would different COLBs from different years use the dates of different events in the same spot on the COLB?



The explanation you offer here here does not appear to reflect anything that we actually see on COLBs. What about it do you find useful?

[Aurorales]

Just for the record. Following are two “Certificate of Live Birth” ‘s from Hawaii in my possession
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My birth date is Sept. 14, 1968...born in Honolulu Hawaii at Tripler Army Medical Center at 9:33pm.

Dr. signed (block 10a) the form.
(block 10b) Date Signed: September 16, 1968

Date Received by Local Registrar: (block 11b) September 16, 1968

Date Accepted By State: (block 11c) Sep 20 1968
_______________________________________________

My son born Dec. 29, 1988 in Honolulu at Tripler AMC

Date signed by DR.: January 3, 1989

Date Received by Local Registrar: Jan - 6 1989

Date Accepted By State: Jan - 6 1989

[butterdezillion]

Unless the baby died - either then or later. Who would be looking at their dead relative’s birth certificate and notice that it has Obama’s alleged number?

The electronic vital stats records today have a feature where they can pair up birth and death information for individuals. It would require an even greater level of complicity by the DOH, but the DOH could have looked to see whose certificate number was available, told Obama about it, and had him request a non-certified abbreviated certificate (COLB) for that child.

I don’t know if the DOH would have gone that far. I know they’ve gone far to COVER Obama’s lies but I don’t know if they would actually be involved in STARTING the problem.

But I think it’s pretty clear that Obama used somebody else’s certificate number and/or COLB to do the forgery. So that number does belong to somebody. Probably somebody who has already died.

It would certainly explain why the DOH is so insistent on not following the rules and sending a non-certified copy of Obama’s abbreviated birth certificate. And why they guard the certficate number with their lives, even though at one point it was part of the required index data - and is now grandfathered in as public information as well.

[Danae]

That is totally consistent with mine!

[Aurorales]

Please see my post #210 on this thread

I have 2 BC’s from Hawaii

The dates were given in the post. Both born at Tripler AMC

[EnderWiggins]

"Upon calling the DOH and asking what the difference between “filed by” and “accepted” on meant, I was told that they meant the same thing. The same story they gave Misstickley."

Well.. according to butterdezillion here you both got a wrong answer.

Or butter did.

[Danae]

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2457491/posts?page=185#185 Post 185.

The short form COLB that is computer generated does not have the information you are referring to.

The LONG form, which you will see pictured IN-PART (I am protecting myself and family) you can see the different boxes and I explain them.

[deport]

August 1961
Sun	Mon	Tue	Wed	Thu	Fri	Sat
		01	02	03	04	05
06	07	08	09	10	11	12
13	14	15	16	17	18	19
20	21	22	23	24	25	26
27	28	29	30	31

[Danae]

This is what I have been thinking as well.

[BuckeyeTexan]

The one full of sh*t would be YOU. NO WHERE in the text you cited did I claim that the hospital registrar gathered up birth certificates for a week and then submitted them by weekly batch to the state registrar’s office. butterdezillion made that claim, not me.

The ONLY the time the word “week” is mentioned in post is to indicate that two vehicles may not have been processed in the same week. I didn’t even SUGGEST that I processed everything once at the end of the week. That would be stupid. As is your pathetic evidence.

[butterdezillion]

I changed nothing on the e-mail.

I already explained what I found significant.

I think you owe me an apology.

And I’m still waiting to see the communications you received from Okubo.

[Aurorales]

“Who would be looking at their dead relative’s birth certificate and notice that it has Obama’s alleged number?”
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The problem with this is....they might. If Barry did use a dead baby's number and it is found out, all hell would break loose.
That would be outright fraud.

I don't think they want to take that chance.