Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday

Hartford Courant ^ | March 22, 2009 | Dahleen Glanton

[cowboyway]

ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.

With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.

[barb-tex]

Lincoln freed the slaves in the United States? Biggest Lie ever told. Read his Emancipation Proclamation. He not only kept slavery in the U.S. but REINSTITUTED it in the defeated
RIVER PARISHES AND NEW ORLEANS in Louisiana. And the African american hero. Ridiculous.
barbra ann

[brwnsuga]

I live in the heart of Dixie and I, for one, am glad that the North won. If they had not, surely there would have been at least 50 more years of slavery. Which means (taking in account that most Civil Rights legislations were enacted during the 50’s and 60’s) means that America might have had to possibly deal with servitude and Jim Crow laws in the present day.

[central_va]

One problem, you cannot.

Why not? You hero - Lincoln went on record saying if he could stop the war by not freeing any slaves he would. You drank the liberal historical kool aid. Try to expand your mind. We are in a political fight with brain dead monitizing Fedzilla right now, it might help if you revisited history from a different perspective to try and figure out a peacefull way to stop the beast this time. You are not helping.

[kalee]

Dixie ping

[Fiji Hill]

No matter what you think or do, the Confederacy and heroic defense of states rights and republican values against a terrible onslaught from a federal invader will always be connected in history and equated with one another.

I'll drink to that.

[central_va]

I live in the heart of Dixie and I, for one, am glad that the North won. If they had not, surely there would have been at least 50 more years of slavery. Which means (taking in account that most Civil Rights legislations were enacted during the 50’s and 60’s) means that America might have had to possibly deal with servitude and Jim Crow laws in the present day.

I think this may be true, what I wrestle with is that we threw the baby out with the bath water. Slavery was evil/bad, but by killing the 10th amendment, we killed one immoral institution by killing the republic. Much was gained and lost. I have not the answers.....

[central_va]

Bottom line of the moral leger:

Slavery is dead - good

The Republic is dead - bad

Fedzilla has run amok - very, very, bad

I see two ways out of this morass.

Restore the republic or,

Balkanize, in a peaceful way this time, the good ole USA

There is no pleasant way to do this, my head is splitting.....

[central_va]

FRiends, I guess there is another way. Give up, go along with a strong centralized, socialist and all powerful government and pray it doesn’t kill all individual rights. Republics are antiquated ideas anyway, especially Free Republics. NOT!

[Fast Moving Angel]

I am not disputing that slavery was a factor.

However, if it were ''all about slavery'', then why did Lincoln, through the Emancipation Proclamation, free only slaves in the South and not in the North? Was this act not designed to punish the South by damaging the Southern agricultural-based economy, largely dependent on slaves (and others) to maintain it?

[LowOiL]

There was nothing noble about the Confederacy. Nothing.

I have heard the same about Irish Catholics... but most know better.

[central_va]

However, if it were ''all about slavery'', then why did Lincoln, through the Emancipation Proclamation, free only slaves in the South and not in the North? Was this act not designed to punish the South by damaging the Southern agricultural-based economy, largely dependent on slaves (and others) to maintain it?

It was a totally symbolic gesture done by Lincoln to take away the moral high ground occupied by the ever growing copperhead movement in the North.

[LowOiL]

The Copperhead coalition included many Irish American Catholics in eastern cities, mill towns and mining camps (especially in the Pennsylvania coal fields).

[Forward the Light Brigade]

By 2011 the south may want to break away from the Obamanation and her taxes. They even have their own flag and constitution all ready to go.

[swmobuffalo]

“There was nothing noble about the Confederacy. Nothing.”

Certainly far more noble than your pathetic Northern history classes have taught you.

Did they tell you that the Emancipation Proclaimation was a last ditch effort to keep the Northern war effort going?

Did they tell you that while the war was going on SLAVES were being used to build in Washington DC?

Did they tell you of the blatant abuse of power used by Northern armies against the blacks?

Did they?

If they didn’t, perhaps you should do some investigating on your own before you trash another’s heritage.

[cowboyway]

Nathan Bedford Forrest would agree, as quoted below.

It is without question that the states that left the union did so to form their own union, aka Confederate States of America, not to overthrow the US government.

One can parse words in any fashion to meet one's agenda and in this case I think that you've done just that. When Forrest said, "of the government which we fought to destroy", he obviously meant the destruction of the 'union', not the overthrow of the US government.

[cowboyway]

Liberals? Is that everyone who doesn’t agree with you on every topic?

Pretty much.

Yankee? I don’t even follow baseball.

Was your great-great grand pappy a Kansas redleg by any chance?......................

[Alas Babylon!]

The problem with that argument, and I say this as an Alabamian, is that it was not just the South that was agrarian, but the West at the time was also. By West, I mean the new states added from 1830-1850, such as Illinois (before Chicago), Iowa, California, Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, and Kansas. None of them were slave states, and none were industrial.

All were agricultural or producers of raw material (California and Nevada-silver & gold).

Only ONE of these experienced sectarian violence, Kansas, and it was 100% due to the slavery question.

[Non-Sequitur]

He held private beliefs that slavery would end in a reasonable time, as it was ending in most parts of the world.

I would love to see a single quote by Davis from before or during the rebellion that supports that claim.

The Brierfield overseer was a black man, James Pemberton.

Be accurate. Pemberton was a slave, Davis' property. And remained such until the war freed him.

All slave families at Brierfield were kept together. A nursery and early grade school was developed for slaves (contrary to existing law). Slave families were assigned land to farm on their own time to accrue their own money.

A claim unsupported by any evidence I'm aware of.

Little known and conspiculously missing from most published work on the subject is the fact that Mr. Davis paid for higher education for some of the slave children at Brierfield. He arranged for James Pemberton's son to attend an Ivy League University.

Probably because it didn't happen.

Then, there is the story of Jim Limber.

And yet in all their post-rebellion writings, neither Davis mentions Jim Limber in any of their books. I guess he didn't mean that much to them after all.

[cowboyway]

Civil War post on Freerepublic always spark some emotions and heated replies.

Fun, ain't it!!!

The anniversary 2011-2015 is going to be interesting.

What do you think the rats will say and do if the repubs don't win back the congress in 2010?

[cowboyway]

And you'll be welcome here. The Cathedral in Richmond is beautiful, and we're only approx ninety minutes from Monticello.

And you're a BLUE state now....................