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To: Ultra Sonic 007
One problem, you cannot.

Why not? You hero - Lincoln went on record saying if he could stop the war by not freeing any slaves he would. You drank the liberal historical kool aid. Try to expand your mind. We are in a political fight with brain dead monitizing Fedzilla right now, it might help if you revisited history from a different perspective to try and figure out a peacefull way to stop the beast this time. You are not helping.

83 posted on 03/21/2009 8:51:33 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
Lincoln went on record saying if he could stop the war by not freeing any slaves he would.

Don't cherry-pick please. He also said that if he could end the war by freeing all of them he would.

101 posted on 03/21/2009 10:45:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va; jla; IrishCatholic
Why not? You hero - Lincoln went on record saying if he could stop the war by not freeing any slaves he would.

And I'm well aware of that. That does not carry over to the motivations of most other people who partook in the fighting. The Civil War was about more than just Abraham Lincoln.

Now, if you want to argue a different scenario, feel free to make one. But don't try and make me sell a scenario where freeing the slaves during the middle of the war would've ended hostilities. Because it would not have.

Do you think burning half of Georgia to the ground might be an example of "an increase in federal power"?

You keep leaving out the calculus of what the rest of the country was enduring at the time. We're in a middle of a war against ourselves, and General Sherman went about war with the intent to end it. Though it did cripple the South's efforts, it also embittered Southerners against the North. But that's beside my point.

My point was this: during a civil war, you'd be hard-pressed to find a scenario where federal power would NOT increase. The validity of such an increase in power would be dependent upon the origins of said civil war; most would probably argue that were the American Civil War just about naked federal oppression of the states and its denizens, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But you cannot remove the calculus of slavery from the equation, the effect it had on all Americans, and how it formed the very roots - economic, social, and political - of the Civil War. It's impossible, because those roots stem back decades before Fort Sumter.

It's better to spend your time debunking the supposed 'necessity' of, say, the Wilson Administration increasing federal dominion over the nation during World War I. Or the 'necessity' of the New Deal and its supposed 'economic reforms'. Or the 'necessity' of the Porkulus Bill.

You drank the liberal historical kool aid. Try to expand your mind.

Just don't sit there and tell me that I can pretend to remove the issue of slavery from the equation. Because that issue went far beyond just freeing them during the war; it had its hand in interstate politics, the Southern economy, and societal debate long before the Civil War ever began. For me to truly try and remove the issue of slavery from the Civil War, I'd have to envision how things would've gone without the Missouri Compromise. And before that, the Wilmot Proviso. And before that, Nat Turner's Rebellion. And even before that, the Missouri Compromise...and so on.

You see my point? It's too big of a facet of the Civil War to just blithely remove like some historical revisionist. Because without that issue, most of the background for the Civil War loses all meaning, relevance, context, etcetera etcetera...

109 posted on 03/21/2009 11:16:52 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: central_va

agreed
he also said that he had no intention to do so and that even if he did he believed he had no power to do so.

course it flies in the liberal north east Il minds of political correctness in this country but then again facts do tend to get in the way of made up history.

thankfully my 3 kindergarten children already know about the war


644 posted on 03/23/2009 2:21:42 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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