Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
There is no such animal as a Feb 1980 SS form. That form doesn’t didn’t exist.
So, how is it that Obama’s SS is on a Feb 1980 form?
We are in total agreement.
The SC is worrying me more than any other branch of the government.
“buried in noise”
This has been your strategy all along. It shows in your language.
Well if you want to get into that area...the email that was circulating that claimed Zero’s mother was pregnant when she left Cuba and the father was Francisco Cundo...was signed by a guy who participated in the Bay of Pigs invasion, is in Exile in the US, and has friends that were former CIA operatives. I posted a link to his email address and phone number if anyone wanted to call him and ask him if he really wrote the letter.
I have already forgotten his name.
I guess 100s of 1000s of dollars for an army of lawyers isn’t “intensely fighting”?
By looking at the actions of the courts. There was a very quick decision by the first judge (Surrick) and didn’t require any inputs from Obama’s lawyers.
In 1961 hospitals had to courier or mail BC's and COLB's to the state dept. of vital statistics. I would expect the date of birth to normally be prior to the date of registration with the state.
“The reason why no one is reporting is because people have looked into and after some real research they found it was bunk.”
Thats BS.
If the MSM had had some spine during the campaign and had not been too busy adjusting its knee pads ... maybe they WOULD have done some real checking.
Also, a hypothetical press conference:
From NBC: “Senator Obama, will you release your BC?”
Obama: “Next Question.”
From ABC: “Senator Obama, why didn’t you answer NBC’s question?”
Obama: “Next Question.”
From CBS: “What are you hiding, Senator Obama?”
Obama: “Next Question.”
etc., etc., etc ...
If THAT had happened - he would have HAD to relelease the BC. Otherwise, the voting public would see him for the evasive weasel he is ...
BTW - if McCain had won and he were in Obama’s possible predicament right now ... the MSM would be howling from the top of the Washington Monument for disclosure ...
In this case, the actual crime (assuming he wasn't born on American soil) is the biggest hoax in American history!
Or you could be a paid operative...
As far as your desire to “demand some quality analysis”, go ahead and match what Polarik has done. There’s nothing to stop you.
If it is at your best that we put aside Polarik, then your burden of proof is pretty high because his contributions have been very valuable. So far, your contributions on this issue have been, as you admit, attention-seeking.
My original post is not intended to be noise, but very precise criticism of the effort by Polarik to discredit the documents. He is ignoring reality (at least some of it) and his supporters just go along with it. If they get themselves a better expert or Polarik comes up with a good critique of the document I linked above, I will shut up.
What I meant was he is POTUS ELECT and soon he will have CIA people around him... counterfeit documents like passports, birth certificates etc were their one of their main tricks of the trade, so to say.
It is astonishing how lowgrade these faked documents are.
Actually Hawaii only stated that they have his Certificate. Hawaii did not verify *where* he was born.
Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital statistics personally inspected Obama’s birth certificate and found it to be valid.
Fukino, however, repeated the Health Department’s position that state law prohibits her or any other officials from actually releasing the birth certificate, which Obama’s campaign says shows he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081101/NEWS05/811010345/1001/localnewsfront
If a couple of people clicked on the link for photo #5 and saw the evidence of a real artifact, then I have made some progress. If Polarik makes a concerted effort to address that photo, then I will have succeeded. Unfortunately for you, I don't think he will.
So what is the big deal. Just release it. McCain did.
Very true. There are so many possibilities that could be the truth on Obama. One possible scenario is that he was born in Hawaii but whatever is on that form is highly inflammatory. Ann slept around. Apparently both Obama Sr and Ann were marxist/communist. He has been surrounded by dubious people.
It scares the hell out of me that we don’t know the story on this guy and it could be very outrageous or mildly outrageous or so outrageous that we wouldn’t have believed it could happen 10 years ago.
I think his Selective Service Registration is faked.
And if this is faked...imagine what else could be.
Do you know who’s holding the COLB at Factcheck?
I find it interesting that of the candidates running for office in the “web” era, their official documents were posted to their own websites. I’m even thinking of John Kerry with all his Vietnam documentation.
Given that, we still know that the COLB on Obama’s own website is fake.
I have seen Polarik post comments about artifacts. It’s highly likely that what he has already posted in this forum will be applicable to your own precious little artifact.
If you are focusing on only one item, it makes you a light weight. To have us take you seriously, we’d need to see you go through Polarik’s analyses point by point. Unfortunately for you, I don’t think you will.
Yeah, I’m not familiar with it either. Guess we’ll have to wait and see what develops with the SS.
First FR posts from you and they are doozies
No evil from your lips. You’re a fountain of fallacious arguments.
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