Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
Look at the voting process. In our State you don't have to show any proof that you are eligible to vote. You can vote and register on the same day up to election day. Also, drivers licenses are given to illegals here, so there is no way to prove whether they are eligible to vote or not. The process is out of control and seems to apply to citizens only.
A retired federal agent in investigating the Selective Service Registration.
Tell us all how his registration can be on a Form dated Feb 1 1980?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
On the SSS Form 1, in the lower left hand corner is the form number (SSS Form 1) and the month and year version of the form, labeled as "B". On this particular Form 1, it clearly shows the month as "FEB" (February), and the year is either "80" or "90". The retired federal agent investigated further: Magnification of the form both physically (with a 10x glass) or with different image software does not reflect a clear cut result of either a "80" or a "90". But, checking the history of SSS Form 1 (see http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=198002-3240-001#), it's apparent that in February 1980, the Selective Service agency withdrew a "Request for a new OMB control number" for SSS Form 1 (see also, here)--meaning the agency canceled its previous request for a new form, and one was never issued in "FEB 1980". Since under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, Pub. L. No. 96-511, 94 Stat. 2812 (Dec. 11, 1980), codified in part at Subchapter I of Chapter 35 of Title 44 a federal agency can not use a form not approved by OMB (Office of Management and Budget), it's nearly impossible for Senator/President-Elect Obama's SSS Form 1 to be dated "Feb 1980." And since that makes it almost certainly dated "Feb 1990," then how could Barack Obama sign it and the postal clerk stamp it almost ten (10) years before its issue?! Simply not possible.
Barak Hussein Mohammed Obama, the first undocumnted President of The United States. Surreal.
Factcheck is biased and has an agenda. They could have forged the artifacts in their photos. They could have photographed the artifacts knowing that someone forged them. They could have photographed them not knowing anything about authenticating documents.
What I point out is the evidence that they present is much more substantial than Polarik's continued attacks on low res Kos and smears scans. He needs to address the artifacts, specifically how they were made (various possibilities) and then photographed. If he continues to promote the idea that everything was photoshopped (e.g. his recent statement about how round the seal was) then I will continue to point out that his whole premise is wrong.
If nothing else, doesn’t that settle the “certificate of live birth not being the same as the birth certificate” thing?....
Yes it does. But, people will not let facts get in the way of their opinions.
If he was born in Kenya he would have British citizenship. It is quite possible he has had British, Indonesian, and maybe US citizenship.
That's my biggest worry of the new administration. I'm not suggesting they are honest about anything, but I am objectively evaluating their evidence.
For a newbie, you seem to know the reason behind everything.
Agreed. The same types go on and on whether McCain is a natural born citizen which was established, no longer and issue but these Ob-bot shills just want to waste our time in the same way Palmer is. Anyone mentioning Factcheck as a reliable source has to be an O-Bot.
Why did Obama provide a forged COLB as proof. He must think we are all stupid. A forged COLB leads me to believe he was bron in Kenya.
Good one.
Oh? Who are they? Where is their research?
According to the state of Hawaii website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html), persons born outside the U.S. can have their births registered in Hawaii. Here is a quote from the website:
“Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.”
“Why does he have to show that copy?? “
Because it’s the primary document, not a derivative. I ran across this once, I showed a COLB and the agency demanded the original (and it was not for the presidency, but for something far more mundane).
Well let’s see how Palmer responds to an obvious issue with Zero’s Selective Service Registration. He will have to tell us how it is possible that Zero could have registered on a Feb 1980 form.
Excellent quote, cc.
Just accept what he and his ilk have offered as fact? Are you kidding?! Take the word of a Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) leader and/or stalwart?!
Oh.. I almost forgot. There's the matter of that pesky Constitutional thingy.
Why does the Constitution matter so little to so many? Go figure. It don't make a lick of sense.
Alan Keyes Files Suit in California Superior Court 11/13/08
Superior Court of California - County of Sacremento ^
Posted on Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:29:37 AM by atlbelle44
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2132245/posts
“Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United
States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the
Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a “natural born” citizen.
Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a “natural born” citizen. There are other legal
challenges before various state and federal courts regarding aspects of lost or dual citizenship concerning
Senator Obama. Those challenges, in and of themselves, demonstrate Petitioners’ argument that
reasonable doubt exists as to the eligibility of the Democratic Party’s nominee for President.”
From the suit filed yesterday.....
Can’t load that site, too many images, but there is only one posting of a document (obamaselectiveserviceregist.jpg) and nothing to compare it to. The explanation that you quoted may be valid, but there’s no way for me to know.
“This birth certificate nonsense is fool’s bait.....”
If there was anything to it...Her Heinouness and the used car salesman she lives with would have done gone an’ run with it a LONG time ago........
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