Posted on 01/29/2007 1:36:27 PM PST by Dark Skies
Many skeptics continue to question whether Rudy Giuliani is serious about making a run for the White House, but it was abundantly clear on Saturday that he had come to Manchester for more than the sub-freezing temperatures.
Addressing over 500 activists at the New Hampshire Republican Party's annual meeting as part of a two-day swing through the state, Giuliani sketched the broad outlines of what looks like a presidential run. Sounding at times like a motivational speaker, Giuliani cautioned against cynicism and pessimism in the wake of November's election results and challenges in the ongoing War on Terror. The message especially resonated with the audience in this critical primary state, where the Republican Party just lost control of both chambers of the legislature for the first time since the 1870s.
"The best way we remain safe and we retain our freedom...is remaining on offense, remaining strong and not becoming weak in a time of pressure," Giuliani said in a line that drew the biggest applause from the crowd at the Palace Theater.
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I never subscribed to the "they did it first" or "they do it too" argument.
But I will agree that the Rudy supporters should answer the charts and prove if they are wrong.
Is Rudy a liberal? His record is the true indicator and the only thing we have to go on is his record in NYC. So, to me, he is a liberal.
But... after 9/11, he has said things I agree with.
Plus, I just like him. As a person, I like him. I read his book on Leadership and it only increased his personal appeal. I think there will be many of voters who will vote for him (whether right or wrong) because he is likeable.
Yes I do.
Hey, Spiff, wasn't that the Dem illegal immigration plank that you posted?
I stand corrected. You get the point.
If they want to improve the tone so badly, they could start with their own posts. It really seems they want to throw cheap shots without getting such returned.
But I will agree that the Rudy supporters should answer the charts and prove if they are wrong. Is Rudy a liberal? His record is the true indicator and the only thing we have to go on is his record in NYC. So, to me, he is a liberal.
I agree as well.
But... after 9/11, he has said things I agree with. Plus, I just like him. As a person, I like him. I read his book on Leadership and it only increased his personal appeal. I think there will be many of voters who will vote for him (whether right or wrong) because he is likeable.
I don't think he's a bad guy at all. Just the wrong choice to hold the party together, and wrong on a lot of key issues.
And those who don't should leave????
On January 12, 1999 Elizabeth Dole led all candidates in the New Hampshire primary poll.
The first question from the crowd was regarding (no surprise) Illegal Immigration. Rudy essentially gave three steps that need to be enacted in any immigration reform legislation. The first step is to seal the borders. Secondly, there needs to be a mechanism for those who are here illegally to come forward so that we can identify who they are and screen them for criminals and potential terrorists. Thirdly, any immigration reform measure would have to included an English language requirement to foster assimilation into American Culture.
Really? Are you sure that Rudy's view is in line with the Party Platform statement on Illegal Immigration that I posted?
Because the Party Platform statement that I posted was from the Democratic Party Platform 2004. But, you are entirely correct. Giuliani (and unfortunately President Bush) have views on illegal immigration that are more in line with the Democratic Party Platform than the Republican's.
** Shudder **
I don't know if "they" want to improve the tone. The only one who posted something like (that I read) that was me because I see it on both side and think it is destructive.
I answered you in my post #1131. For your benefit.
"Its not my website. If it was my website, I'd boot anyone off who ran around promoting and supporting the liberal agenda. We FReepers have never accepted liberalism. Why start now. If you stick to the facts about Rudy`s liberal record, I have no problem. But this idea that just because Rudy`s a Republican he deserves special treatment is absurd. Rudy is a lifelong liberal. Period. Free Republic is a conservative website. We support and promote conservatism. Not liberalism."
Most of those delinquents you reference are not Republicans, don't vote Republican, don't support the GOP, and don't share the same values or goals as mainstream GOP-America. They never have, and have been saying this for years with the same results. Zilch.
(Except for alienating small groups of FR participants and making the forum look harsh and extreme to critics who are glad to have such examples.)
I told her earlier that Rudy supports the Senate's general proposal for comprehensive immigration reform. That is amnesty and a path to citzenship for 15 million illegals. Senate bill S.2611 is the basis for every one of the Senate's liberal immigration reform proposals. Rudy Giuliani stands with Pres Bush, and they both stand with McCain, Kennedy, Hagel, Martinez and the rest of the open borders crowd in the US Senate. Bush is opposed to House bill HR4437 passed back in Dec2005! Its the enforcement ONLY bill. Bush and Rudy both stand with the Democrats on this issue.
I have posted Rudy's stance on immigration twice. Now whatever you think of it - is your opinion. My opinion is that it is a practical one. I don't care if you posted the Democrat stance or not and are trying to contrast and compare. I'm only interested in Rudy's stance and I'm fine with it. If you don't like it that's you choice but then again anything that Rudy stands for you hate anyway.
Spiff, do you have attention deficit disorder? You and bantered back and forth about your little table yesterday. I asked for attribution of your Rudy positions. You said you didn't need to provide that, and told me to "Google it." Your throwing it in my face every fifth post you make on these threads doesn't change the impression that you're guilty of major spin.
The first question from the crowd was regarding (no surprise) Illegal Immigration. Rudy essentially gave three steps that need to be enacted in any immigration reform legislation. The first step is to seal the borders. Secondly, there needs to be a mechanism for those who are here illegally to come forward so that we can identify who they are and screen them for criminals and potential terrorists. Thirdly, any immigration reform measure would have to included an English language requirement to foster assimilation into American Culture.
The point is, yet again, Rudy is closer to the Dems than the GOP platform on this issue.
Like I said that is your opinion.
We're mopping the floor with you today.
You said that the statement WAS Giuliani's stance on illegal immigration. You posted an actual Giuliani quote that aligned perfectly with the Democrat Party's own platform plank on illegal immigration. Can't you see that Giuliani's views on illegal immigration (and so many other things) are more in line with the Democrats than the Republicans!!?
How much more obvious can we make this? Is there anything that could be revealed about Giuliani's behavior, or any view that he could hold, that would cause you to cease your support of the most liberal major "Republican" presidential candidate in history?
Bunny, I don't see where you get Rudy with 59% of Freeper support. I think it's something like 13.5% currently. But I think what's telling is that while many are telling us that Hunter is THE conservative candidate for '08, he garners only one-third support among Freepers. Fact is, there is no consensus candidate among Freepers at the moment, and we should be free to debate this up to the end of the primary season....provided those of us who are willing to vote for Rudy don't get banned before then.
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