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Dinosaurs, humans coexist in U.S. creation museum
Reuters ^ | 1 hour, 39 minutes ago | Andrea Hopkins

Posted on 01/14/2007 5:31:07 PM PST by Tim Long

PETERSBURG, Kentucky - Ken Ham's sprawling creation museum isn't even open yet, but an expansion is already underway in the state-of-the art lobby, where grunting dinosaurs and animatronic humans coexist in a Biblical paradise.

A crush of media attention and packed preview sessions have convinced Ham that nearly half a million people a year will come to Kentucky to see his Biblically correct version of history.

"I think we'll be surprised at how many people come," Ham said as he dodged dozens of designers working to finish exhibits in time for the May 28 opening.

The $27 million project, which also includes a planetarium, a special-effects theater, nature trails and a small lake, is privately funded by people who believe the Bible's first book, Genesis, is literally true.

For them, a museum showing Christian schoolchildren and skeptics alike how the earth, animals, dinosaurs and humans were created in a six-day period about 6,000 years ago -- not over millions of years, as evolutionary science says -- is long overdue.

While foreign media and science critics have mostly come to snigger at exhibits explaining how baby dinosaurs fit on Noah's Ark and Cain married his sister to people the earth, museum spokesman and vice-president Mark Looy said the coverage has done nothing but drum up more interest.

"Mocking publicity is free publicity," Looy said. Besides, U.S. media have been more respectful, mindful perhaps of a 2006 Gallup Poll showing almost half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

Looy said supporters of the museum include evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews and conservative Catholics, as well as the local Republican congressman, Geoff Davis (news, bio, voting record), and his family, who have toured the site.

FROM 'JAWS' TO EDEN

While the debate between creationists and mainstream scientists has bubbled up periodically in U.S. schools since before the Scopes "monkey trial" in nearby Tennessee 80 years ago, courts have repeatedly ruled that teaching religious theory in public schools is unconstitutional.

Ham, an Australian who moved to America 20 years ago, believes creationists could have presented a better case at the Scopes trail if they'd been better educated -- but he's not among those pushing for creation to be taught in school.

Rather than force skeptical teachers to debate creation, Ham wants kids to come to his museum, where impassioned experts can make their case that apparently ancient fossils and the Grand Canyon were created just a few thousand years ago in a great flood.

"It's not hitting them over the head with a Bible, it's just teaching that we can defend what it says," he said.

Ham, who also runs a Christian broadcasting and publishing venture, said the museum's Hollywood-quality exhibits set the project apart from the many quirky Creation museums sprinkled across America.

The museum's team of Christian designers include theme park art director Patrick Marsh, who designed the "Jaws" and "King Kong" attractions at Universal Studios in Florida, as well as dozens of young artists whose conviction drives their work.

"I think it shows (nonbelievers) the other side of things," said Carolyn Manto, 27, pausing in her work painting Ice Age figures for a display about caves in France.

"I don't think it's going to be forcing any viewpoint on them, but challenging them to think critically about their evolutionary views," said Manto, who studied classical sculpture before joining the museum.

Still, Looy is upfront about the museum's mission: to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with nonbelievers.

"I think a lot of people are going to come out of curiosity ... and we're going to present the Gospel. This is going to be an evangelistic center," Looy said. A chaplain has been hired for museum-goers in need of spiritual guidance.

The museum's rural location near the border of Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana places it well within America's mostly conservative and Christian heartland. But the setting has another strategic purpose: two-thirds of Americans are within a day's drive of the site, and Cincinnati's international airport is minutes away.

The project has not been without opposition. Zoning battles with environmentalists and groups opposed to the museum's message have delayed construction and the museum's opening day has been delayed repeatedly.

The museum has hired extra security and explosives-sniffing dogs to counter anonymous threats of damage to the building. "We've had some opposition," Looy said.


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To: All

Just a quick note - I'm a believe in the scriptures. You could call me a YEC, but I probably won't fit into that mold after this.

How long did Adam live? 930 years.

When did time start for Adam? Gen 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

How long did Adam live BEFORE he and Eve sinned?


321 posted on 01/15/2007 7:46:26 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Bryan24
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die

You have to know how to prepare it!


322 posted on 01/15/2007 7:50:29 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: UpAllNight

318- no sir nothign is lacking- you can readily find the info on secular science sites- as I said- not all scientists cover their ears eyes and mouths- some annalyze and dissect the facts truthfully- not afraid of confronting opposing facts.

320- If indeed- however, as I said- IF the coding is not there to begin with it can never be forced through mutations- decades of mutating fruit flies has pretty much sealed the deal on this issue- MANY mutations occured, and were recorded, and all were seen as alterations of coding that was already avasilable- NO introductions of NEW information were ever produced., nor have any been found in nature when scrutinized by science. This is backed up by forensic annalysis of the species. The Nylon eating bacteria was at first thought to have had NEW information produced through soem random mutation, but was later discovered to have always had the coding, but suppressed due to lack of nylon in the past- forensic discovery uncovered this- Oh- there were many, and still are many who refuse to admit this, but the facts don't lie.


323 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:03 PM PST by CottShop
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To: doc30
God did.

You obviously don't know what naturalistic means. Why am I not surprised.

324 posted on 01/15/2007 8:23:18 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Finny
You clearly seem to know nothing of science or faith.

A) your fellow man and often religious scientiests are so wantonly wicked that they've successfully engaged in blatant fraud for the past century

Ever hear of Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Haeckel's embryo drawings, etc.? I doubt it. You're so obsessed with the religion of Darwin that you can do nothing but accuse thinking individuals of pride, which has nothing to do with objective truth.

325 posted on 01/15/2007 8:30:00 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: MadIvan
God and Evolution can co-exist. One could say, only God could create a mechanism as ingenious as evolution.

I've heard that trite talking point enough. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter if they can; they don't.

326 posted on 01/15/2007 8:32:30 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Tim Long

--Ever hear of Piltdown Man,--

Wasn't that the fraud by the French priest that was determined by scientists to be a fraud?


327 posted on 01/15/2007 8:33:14 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: CottShop

http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm

Where creationists have it all wrong.

But I have to give you credit. You certainly stay up to date with the creationist website lies.


328 posted on 01/15/2007 8:36:05 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: RockinRight
Don't flame me for that, at least not here and now.

Not at all. I appreciate sincere questions.

There is a theory that the verse refers to a water canopy present at creation that accounts for the doubled atmospheric pressure at the time, as evidenced in amber air bubbles. The canopy is thought to have fallen as rain after being disrupted by steam jets released in the tectonic chaos of the Deluge. This is a view that I accept, but the organization building the museum does not.

329 posted on 01/15/2007 8:38:33 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: WhiteGuy
Interesting.............. But not as interesting as Rachel Ray!

I'd disagree. The shoot was a great concept, but poor execution. : )

330 posted on 01/15/2007 8:39:52 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Tim Long
Ever hear of Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Haeckel's embryo drawings, etc.?

What about them?

Piltdown was a hoax that fooled a few British anthropologists for a while, but was increasingly ignored because it didn't fit the overall pattern of evolution. A few decades later scientists finally got around to showing why it didn't fit.

Nebraska Man fooled one fellow and an illustrator for a while. Big deal.

The drawings? Bah! Creationist exaggeration at its best.

If that's the best you can come up with against 150 years of evolutionary exploration and science you're not even half trying. Get over to AnswersinGenesis or one of those other sites and you can be an instant expert.

But don't expect scientists to pay much attention. Its already been debunked here: Index of Creationist Claims.

331 posted on 01/15/2007 8:40:37 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; SirLinksalot

He can't hold a candle to Sirlinksalot on the other thread.


333 posted on 01/15/2007 8:49:12 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: SALChamps03
"Scientific evidence says it is."

So does the Bible, but you'd never know it if you spent all of your time reading the posts of willfully ignorant people who have better things to do than actually read the book itself.

334 posted on 01/15/2007 8:54:51 PM PST by Radix (My Tag Line has a first name....its O S C A R.)
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To: UpAllNight

and you certainly don't keep up with errors presented to you by secular sites- those rebuttles on that site have all been re- rebuttled succsefully- your boys at nmsr do exactly what talkorigin.com does and that is put words in the mouths of their oponents in an attempt to discredit them and make them look foolish- nmsr's arguments are disingenuous and deceitful and so are talkorigins. Had you looked into the matter more closely- you would have seen that- nmsr is saying spetner said something when he waas NOT saying that at all- and nmsr does NOT even counter the valid points made by spetner-

Spetner was arguing that the bacteria fed on precursors to nylon and ALREADY had the info in their gene code that could adapt to actual nylon- NO NEW info was produced in the bacteria- nmsr then goes on to assert that INCREASES in info mean NEW information- you would catch that subtly unless you looked objectively at what nmsr was saying- but nmsr misses the point completely evidently- yet that doesn't stop them from trying to deceive by asserting that sptner 'admitted to an increase' and trying to deceive you by infering that increases mean evolution- it does NOT.

Mnsr's bacterial resistance to antibiotics argument that it would prove evolution is laughable at best and has been totally refuted by secular sciences.

But alas- you'll beleive what you want


335 posted on 01/15/2007 9:03:45 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop

yes, that's the whole point of the evolution theory of course. To justify our lower animalistic side as being natural. The darkside does it's best work through bad science. A very sophisticated brainwashing which seems like true knowledge. It's all driven by some anger towards parents or some bad authority which makes people tend to hate God. Not saying I'm free of all my anger but I just see how it opens our minds to false teachings.


336 posted on 01/15/2007 9:20:49 PM PST by fabian
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To: UpAllNight

my gosh- the more I read on that site the more disingenuous it really is- either that or it's ignorant of facts- 'right handed snails are sexually isolated, and thus a 'new species' was put forth as some kind of lame attempt to prove evolution? All it did was reinforce the fact that microevolution happens- which we all agree on- it's evolution through mutations that we don't agree on- species going outside their own KIND to create new KINDS with the NEW information that has been received (presumably by some biologically impossible lateral gene transferences that all worked in harmony to magically create the new KIND- despite hte fact that lateral gene transferences have never been recorded between dissimiliar KINDS.)


337 posted on 01/15/2007 9:29:38 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Coyoteman

If radiocarbon dating is only good for 50,000 year-old specimens, or younger... how do we get the ages of older specimens? I can see where we can extrapolate ages of geological formations from what is in each layer, etc, but how do we know, for example, how old a rock is?


338 posted on 01/16/2007 12:13:49 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: UpAllNight

"Studies of the DNA code support evolution."

And studies of DNA code support creationism. It is such a complex system of information, and requires such an amazing organization make it work, that it couldn't possibly be mere random molecules, acting in a random fashion. If life is so easy, try making some, using only non-living materials, then get back to me. Hey, if DNA is just a bunch of molecules, then get a bucket of those molecular components, and let's see how much DNA you get from it.


339 posted on 01/16/2007 12:20:03 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"Show me some proof, some facts."

OK, take all the proof, and all the facts that your favorite scientists have already used to convince you that life was all one big coincidence. Now, draw the only plausible conclusion from all that evidence; life had to have been created, purposely, by a creator. Life is found everywhere, all over the world, even in the darkest, most inhospitable regions of the ocean floor, so it must be VERY EASY to make, right? If it's so abundant, as it is, then making some should be a lead-pipe-cinch. Heck, it's hard to keep the stuff at bay! So, go ahead. Take any non-living materials you want, and create some life. Take your time. Take 6 days, if you want.


340 posted on 01/16/2007 12:26:17 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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