Posted on 12/15/2006 7:22:32 PM PST by FarRockaway
To: The Republican Party
I am a Christian conservative or social conservative. I am Pro-Life. I vote.
Rudy Giuliani is pro-gay, pro-gun control, and pro-abortion.
For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for Rudy Giuliani for President of the United States under any circumstances.
Senator John McCain has waffled on human cloning, has supported experimentation on human embryos, and has attacked prominent Christian clergy because of the, "evil influence that they exercise." John McCain has said of Pro-Life voters, on a public broadcast radio show, that they are, "otherwise intelligent people who say that that's the only issue that will determine their vote." McCain told the San Francisco Chronicle, "I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade."
For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for John McCain for President of the United States under any circumstances.
Sincerely,
It's my SON and I don't bother him...I bug my DIL!! Just kidding....they are saving for a house then maybe in a couple of years, kids.
Kiss that baby for me too!
You said -- "Notorious fraud."
The work he has produced is absolutely not a fraud, and he has been attacked by several of the cults he has exposed and that's where some people come from.
The facts of his work are absolutely impeccable and you won't find a single Christian Theologian who will dispute his expert analysis of those various cults. Try to find one -- of course, one who is a Christian theologian and not one of the *cults* who are exposed.
AND -- besides that -- you don't even have to refer to Walter Martin if you don't want to -- because the Mormon church has been exposed as a cult and against the historic Christian faith by even ex-Mormons themselves, when they've found out about things that they were not supposed to know.
Any Christian *also knows* that the true Christian uses no other source of authority -- other than the Bible -- which the Mormons do not adhere to. They have several other "authoritative sources" -- which end up producing things like Lucifer (AKA "Satan") being the brother of Jesus Christ (just for one exmaple; it goes on and on from here).
So, don't use Walter Martin -- if you don't want to -- just use the thousands of other documented sources about why the Mormon church departs from the historic Christian faith.
Try Sandra Tanner (and her husband) for one -- who have worked a lifetime showing how the Mormon church has falsified and changed their doctrines over the entire period of their church and how their doctrines are opposed to historic Christianity.
For those who don't know -- Sandra Tanner is the great granddaughter of Brigham Young. She ought to *know* Mormonism, as she came from the family who was the *leader* of the church for many years.
She (and her husband) have lots of documented material. It's such a *mountainous* amount of material that they have produced and documented that it's absolutely tedious to go through it all. It just never ends.
It's *too easy* to show how the Mormon church has absolutely nothing in common with the Christian faith.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "Your stinking source was a KOOK and not only a KOOK, but a liar and his wife was.is an even BIGGER liar than he was."
This book and resource is not the only source for all the information about cults and especially about the cult status of the Mormon church. There is more than ample material out there which *documents* how the Mormon church is far from historic Christianity as agreed upon and accepted by all the standard and normal Christian denominations in the United States.
And any number of recognized and authoritative Christian theologians will say that the Mormon doctrines are *absolutey* not Christian -- at all.
So, this is not limited to this one work -- of "The Kingdom of the Cults" or Walter Martin.
The work is *still* and always has been considered authoritative, is still used as a basic resource, and is more than supplemented by hundreds -- if not thousands of other similar books about the Christian faith and the basic doctrines and how they are completely different than what Mormoism espouses.
For example -- I'm *sure* that many people would call *anyone* who said that Satan (i.e., "Lucifer") was Jesus' brother -- was the *true KOOK*.
And guess who says that...?? Three guesses for you...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "No. You were spamming. Plain and simple."
If you answer me as many times as I answer you -- "who is spamming whom?"
Regards,
Star Traveler
I just looked up cult in a pocked dictionary - and it described it as faddish devotion. Are you using a dictionary definition? Do you think that Buddhism which is older that Christianity is faddish?
This suit was all started because Dr. Martin was using a non-existent reference. In a lecture at Westminister Presbyterian Church he quoted from Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, page 385. Mr. Johnson asked him how he could be quoting from page 385 when the book only had 376 pages. Martin said that he would let Mr. Johnson prove that he was wrong in a court of law. "If you're right and I'm wrong, you've ruined me. If I'm right and you're wrong, the Mormon Church in California is going to be terribly embarrassed." (Brown 1986, 102)The fraud's lies were laughed out of court.On a motion from the defendants, the court entered a summary judgment against Martin's suit. Walter Martin asked for an appeal and a retrial. They were both denied by the court. Walter's final petition was denied on Feb. 13, 1979. (Brown 1986, 317) Therefor after Feb. 13th, Walter Martin had lost his suit and no further action was possible. But that didn't stop Walter from claiming that a suit existed which he had already lost. As late as 1985 Walter Martin was still claiming that, "This case will come to trial in Orange County, California." (Brown 1986, 99)
I don't know how old you are, but I may have been through confirmation class ( in which I was a straight A student and the head of the class ), in the Methodist church long ago. That class was almost an entire year long and we went through the complete history of Judaism, Catholicism, and every single Protestant sect. The final exam was a killer and I easily received an A+ on it, being told that my essay was brilliant. We also had many an oral exams, extensive memorizations to do and be quizzed on, and I excelled at all of them; remembering still, just about every single thing I learned in those classes, to this very day.
I was and still am a Wesleyan Methodist of the old school; not one of those hippy/dippy UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ones.
You can get up off the floor now and I suggest, that in the future, you refrain from making absurd assumptions about people you know nothing at all about.
Your "respected" source, OTOH, was a DEFROCKED minister, who continually LIED about his education, his degrees, and his connection with not one, but TWO Baptist groups. He also LIED about being descended from Brigham Young, being related to Young, and a host of other things as well.
Your "respected" source was a LIAR, a fraud, and a con man!
And YOU are a fool!
Gopbloggers Straw poll under 15,000 votes were cast Nov, 30th 2006.
GingRich 25.6%
Giuliani 24.4%
Romney 20%
Tancredo 6.8%
McCain 5.5%
Brownback 2.3%
Hunter 1.8%
Huckabee 1.6%
Hagel 1.4%
Frist 0.9%
Pataki 0.4%
Further questioning asked which candidate looked best as a result of the election
GingRich 31.3%
Giuliani 27.8%
Romney 23.1%
McCain 11.6%
I hope this helps
I thought that I was the ONLY one here who posts that stuff, but no, low and behold someone else does it now too! :-)
You said -- "Walter Martin was a damned liar and a fraud. So was/is his wife."
Well, it's amazing that all the other Christian theologians are telling the same lies as Walter Martin does about the Mormons then. That's a very curious state of affairs...
And all those others who write the same kinds of books about how the Mormon religion is totally non-Christian, they've apparently colluded with Walter Martin, too (but now they've done it "beyond the grave" no less).
And if you asked a Christian if the statement -- "Lucifer (AKA Satan) is Jesus Christ's brother." -- is a LIE -- guess what they would say???
I think, without a doubt, they would say that whoever teaches that in their religion is the one who is lying.
You said -- "Now come on, tell me just which branch of Christianity you belong to. We're all dying to know."
I believe I answered that above. For a shortened recap of that -- I said -- in general, Evangelical, more specifically of the Southern Baptish Convention. I hope that helps you.
And -- of course the Southern Baptist Convention believes and states that Mormons are not of the Christian faith. You may not have known that. But that comes from the largest Protestant Denomination in the United States.
Regards,
Star Traveler
This is the smokey backroom, after all, :-)
You said -- "If you keep posting the same thing, over and over again, to the same thread, that IS considered to be "spamming" here and against posting rules. It is also against FR's rules and considered to be spamming, if you post the same thing to various, different threads."
If you keep replying to me over and over again -- is that considered spamming?
Regards,
Star Traveler
BRAVO!
Only ONE year??? Heck, we Lutheran's had to go for THREE!! Then be QUIZZED by the council and pastor. AND had to write an essay! LOL ahhh.. the good ole days
It's pathetic.
You said -- "The FACT is, that your supposed "respected" source was a fraud, a liar, and a KOOK."
And the fact remains -- that the entire Christian establishment backs up Walter Martin in what he said -- so then, that throws into question who is protesting that he is a kook.
I believe that pretty much solves the problem about who is callilng who a kook.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Babies cost a LOT and their needs are immediate!
Shall do...I'm going to shower him with kisses, which he loves to get. Then we'll blow raspberries ( something else he likes to do ) and then I'll do THIS LITTLE PIGGIE over and over and over again. It's the game that is dear to my heart. LOL
You said -- "No, they aren't Christians. AND???? What's your point?"
That's a good enough point right there.
With that, I'll stop in regards to you. You've said all that needed to be said and as long as everyone else realizes that to be the facts of the matter -- that's all that is necessary.
Thank you for making that clear.
Regards,
Star Traveler
pssst you forgot the part about the devil's brother.....
you're slipping!
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