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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?
You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; id
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To: js1138

So, like any, "OMGFREEPTHISNOW!" all it proves is that some people can figure out and take advantage of a programming flaw?


601 posted on 09/25/2006 3:56:02 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (http://folding.stanford.edu/ - - - -Folding@home. Free Republic team 36120)
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To: PatrickHenry
How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue.

So important that the decision should immediately be removed from the purview of government. Voila! No further conflict!

602 posted on 09/25/2006 4:17:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I have noticed that nothing I never said ever did me any harm." ~ Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Virginia-American
Luther never used the word "Jew" to mean simply "Catholic". He used "Jew" to mean "member of the hierarchy of the Catholic church".

He was not alone in this usage.

You have to examine the context of each usage and not just take what seems to be an anti-semitic statement and make what you believe to be profound commentaries on it.

Else you find yourself in the old "don't say nothin' 'bout the brother" syndrome.

603 posted on 09/25/2006 5:26:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SoldierDad

Possibly.


604 posted on 09/25/2006 5:29:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Liberal Classic

Alas, it is always necessary to do so in your case.


605 posted on 09/25/2006 5:31:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
Your strawman was burned long ago.

Besides, you are continuing to confound the "young earth" crowd with Conservatism.

You sure you've been here before?

606 posted on 09/25/2006 5:35:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
It didn't? Did you realize that mankind could not penetrate to the far North until he'd learned how to eat seal blubber (which is full of vitamin c).

Frankly, there are much better things to do.

607 posted on 09/25/2006 5:37:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DoctorMichael
165.76.125.*** - Voted for Creation 990 times. 63.175.96.*** - Voted for Creation 399 times.

That was 5 years ago!


608 posted on 09/25/2006 6:07:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: betty boop

I didn't vote, either....


609 posted on 09/25/2006 6:08:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: betty boop
The notion of "survival of the fittest" excuse was paramount [for the Nazis]

No. It simply wasn't. It was always an incidental rhetorical gloss at best.

610 posted on 09/25/2006 6:10:45 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: muawiyah
You wrote in post 409:
The problem is you guys are bunch of whiners, just like the AlQaida types.

Later, I commented to someone else:
Well, count your blessings. At least no one's called you a idolator or member of Al Qaeda.

To which you replied to me:
Alas, it is always necessary to do so in your case.

Lovely post. Thank you for writing a characteristic example of the bull-baiting and invective which these threads such a joy to read. It's a fitting follow-up to your post where you suggest science-minded people like me are going to round Christians up and put them into death camps.

611 posted on 09/25/2006 6:22:32 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: muawiyah
Your insult to Christianity, in general, to wit: "Liars for Christ" ~or~ The Ends justify the Means; Stalin and Lenin would be proud." should have been kept to the level of accusing the offending parties of commiting fraud ~ but you stepped over the line.

Blah, blah blah. Not stepped over the line; 'Witnesed' may be a more apt word here.

Furthermore, it is a lie as as evidenced by the exposed posting habits of Creationists/IDers on the previous post on this site.

Some people feel justified to lie their their way through Life to achieve their ends in the name of their self righteous agenda and the further destruction and discrediting of this site and the Conservative Movement. To put it a way you might understand, these people are the Children of the Father of all Lies.

Hope this helps.

612 posted on 09/25/2006 6:46:20 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: SoldierDad
When they do, then I'll have more evidence to derive a different perspective.

I do sense you're honest in your desire to learn more about this subject.

If you indeed do the research, though, I think you'll find that there's a lot more out there than you think, not just with regard to transitional fossils, but more especially genetic evidence. I'm not just talking resemblences in genetic codes, but specific places where encoding errors and evidence for specific mutations being passed down; as well as very specific predictions of genetic data, in some cases leading to specific predictions of what sort of fossils from what era would be found, and where.

This is tough stuff to wrap your brain around, I know, (I'm certainly no expert; when it comes to this subject, I'm a layperson, just like yourself, with a bit of personal interest in the subject) - but I do know that there have been leaps and bounds in the subject made in the last couple decades.

Unfortunately, none of it's anything one can learn in just a few minutes; I encourage you keep learning about this fascinating field, and just to keep alert for websites & other sources who are engaged in apologetics as opposed to science. Best of luck, and hope that we can avoid coming to differences over what can indeed be a touchy subject.

613 posted on 09/25/2006 6:55:07 AM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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To: js1138; Bella_Bru
"The last time there was a poll on the subject, two creationists together voted a couple thousand times."

js, that lie is indicative of your own character.

The truth is the opposite; most of the pro-evo votes came from the same computer. This is what happens all the time, and one evo postor on this thread equated 'freeping' with dishonest voting. Evos don't have any respect for FR's goals and purposes, and don't belong here.

614 posted on 09/25/2006 8:36:38 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
...and one evo postor on this thread equated 'freeping' with dishonest voting...

I can't even imagine why. Retarded spiritual development, I suppose.

Now support your claim regarding the previous poll.

615 posted on 09/25/2006 8:49:28 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138
Here's the thread on Godel's evolution poll: Freeper Only Poll. Do you believe in Evolution or Creation?

Godel described the cheating at post 137, and then named the cheaters in post 186. One of the named persons admitted cheating in post 189, and the other admitted it in post 279.

616 posted on 09/25/2006 9:02:46 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and that's what liberals do.)
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To: muawiyah

The problem is that it is not a strawman, as the creationists take over the party, and they are, because they are getting louder and louder, those that are politically with the Republican party, but are scientifically literate, will leave it in droves, as I have been seeing.

This is not a strawman, it is a fact.


617 posted on 09/25/2006 9:02:50 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: betty boop
I've been following all of your posts here with great interest. And as always, I agree with you on everything and am amazed at your eloquence and command of the issues! Thank you so very much for your insights and for sharing this information!

Sadly, this thread is in the Smokey Backroom where few of the Lurkers who would benefit the most from what you have to say will actually read it.

So I’ve accumulated my favorite quotes from you on this thread and shall be posting them to a much higher visibility thread in the Religion Forum.

(Not only do they bear repeating but I wish to bookmark the the lot of them LOL!)

618 posted on 09/25/2006 9:07:23 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Virginia-American
"Please explain the "modular design" that makes people and the other apes incapable of synthesizing ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). The fact is, that if a single base pair were added to your genome, you'd never need vitamin C again"

I'm sure that I have addressed this a few times before. Ascorbic acid, by itself is not what has classically been called 'vitamin C.' Ascorbic acid is merely a preservative, and has been found in studies to be incapable of curing scurvy, for example. The real vitamin c is a group of polyphenols found in many acidic fruits, and together they cure many things. No animal has yet been identified that produces a single one of the polyphenols that constitute 'vitamin C' even though some of them do produce ascorbic acid. How any of this could support the failed theory of evolution is beyond me. You are reaching in the dark.

619 posted on 09/25/2006 9:11:31 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor

You really are flailing around desperately aren't you?

That was an amazing post, it really truly was.

If self delusionment had a prize, you would win it hands down.


620 posted on 09/25/2006 9:20:10 AM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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