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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?
You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; id
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Oh, thank you so much Doc for the additional details on Steensen. He seems a most remarkable man!

Thanks so very much for writing, Doc -- good night, and sleep well!

501 posted on 09/24/2006 8:38:08 PM PDT by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: freedumb2003
"Oh man -- use that Phisoderm stuff they give the doctors."

Good stuff...I've had occasion to use it before...

I'm gone for the night. I'll talk atcha you tomorrow.

502 posted on 09/24/2006 8:38:21 PM PDT by b_sharp (Objectivity? Objectivity? We don't need no stinkin' objectivity.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Naw, it's the anti "they're bringing in new models all the time" message.

As a practical matter, given the ubiquitous nature of DNA (et al) if you had Arcturans using Earth as a Zoo, or a dumping ground for unsuitible "new models", you really would have a hard time differentiating those critters from the ones already here.

It's like the idea that GRAVITY WORKS EVERYWHERE THE SAME ~ in this case, it's LIFE USES THE SAME CHEMISTRY AND PROCESSES EVERYWHERE.

Evos tend to reject the idea that exobiology has any relevance to anything already on Earth. They stick to the "little Earth" idea like the "young earther" crowd stick to their narrow idea of Creation.

503 posted on 09/24/2006 8:38:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Virginia-American

I'm sure there's some anti-evolutionists with honor also. This stuff isn't all that easy to understand and their faith is part of their being. They're not going to show up that often typing the results from passes through the creationist/ID algorithm though.


504 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:07 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: editor-surveyor
The very purpose of DNA is to prevent un-planned change. All the change that can ever happen is precoded in the DNA of every creature on earth. Cells that divide in error self destruct due to check-sum-like functions within the DNA.

This is proven by the total absence of the infinite variety that would exist if it were not so.

I'm sorry, but you cannot be serious?

That is so wrong in so many ways that it is utterly insane.

505 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:07 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: Coyoteman
If your car does not start in the morning, who you gonna' call: a mechanic, a witch doctor, or a philosopher?

Oh for heaven's sake, Coyotemen -- of course I'm going to call my mechanic, George. Do you think I'm stoopid or sumthin'?????

Good night and pleasant dreams, Coyoteman!

506 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:08 PM PDT by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: editor-surveyor

"What a laugh, he designed DNA to prevent evolution"

LOL, so random mutations that occur on "his" design do not contribute to evolution? YOU make me laugh.


507 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:18 PM PDT by sagar
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To: b_sharp

"Prove me wrong. Explain why the Archaeopteryx is not a transitional. Explain why the sequence of fossils claimed to be transitionals between archaic Artiodactyls and Cetaceans should not be accepted. Perhaps give us a link to the research that based identification of relationships on small similarities while ignoring large differences. Perhaps explain why small similarities, if diagnostic in nature, should not be given more weight than non-diagnostic larger differences?"

My question still goes unanswered. Where are the transitionals between these so called transitionals that would demonstrated definatively that commen decent is real? And, again, my question goes unanswered. Since I am not the one making such claims as this animal become some other animal, then why do you insist I "prove" something I have not claimed. I'm merely asking for you to provide your evidence other than "It is what I say It Is". You evos have become so locked into your conjecture and supplication that you can't see anything outside of the world you've placed yourself in.


508 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:25 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: Carry_Okie
Personally, I wish evolution was downgraded to the status of hypothesis and that science admitted how little we really know.

Why? Evolution is one of the best supported theories we have.

Should we downgrade it from theory to hypothesis because a very narrow group of religious fundamentalists demand it? Or should we keep it as a theory because that is where scientists, who study the matter, have determined it should be.

509 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:43 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: eleni121
Since there are many proposed models of how the universe is put together that put Earth at the center, it's really difficult to argue otherwise.

At the moment, it's a concept best ignored ~ belief in a center of everything is terribly misleading.

510 posted on 09/24/2006 8:41:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: editor-surveyor
"The very purpose of DNA is to prevent un-planned change. All the change that can ever happen is precoded in the DNA of every creature on earth. Cells that divide in error self destruct due to check-sum-like functions within the DNA."

So you say. But you still haven't provided evidence that what you say is true. Cell correction operates on somatic cells. Show me that it also works on germ cells. Then show me it prevents all mutations in germ cells.

511 posted on 09/24/2006 8:42:25 PM PDT by b_sharp (Objectivity? Objectivity? We don't need no stinkin' objectivity.)
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To: editor-surveyor; freedumb2003
freedumb2003: There are already DNA markers that point us clearly at a common origin to many animals.

editor-surveyor: That is an opinion advanced only by those whose minds are so warped that they can't see the use of modular design by our creator. Why would he not use the same method to do the same job in most of his creatures? Your statement is utterly anti-god at it's foundation.

Please explain the "modular design" that makes people and the other apes incapable of synthesizing ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). The fact is, that if a single base pair were added to your genome, you'd never need vitamin C again. Every thing's present, except that one base pair.

The interesting thing is, the exact same base pair, inserted in the right place in the chimp or gorilla genome, would let them make ascorbic acid.

The standard biology explanation for this state of affairs is obvious.

The ID or creationist explanation ... well, the hypothetical designer could have done a better job of quality control.

I Mean, what exactly is the point of reusing the same defective part in a dozen or more species? It pays to perform unit testing if you're doing modular construction!

Actually, there is another creationist hypothesis:

[Garden of Eden, Adam just 'fessed up]

The Lord: So you like fruit, eh! I'll fix it so you'll have to eat some every day!
< zapp !>
Er, sorry about that Mr. Ape, ...

512 posted on 09/24/2006 8:44:05 PM PDT by Virginia-American (What do you call an honest creationist? An evolutionist.)
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To: betty boop
Jeepers, Doc, I really wish you would get "serious" about current events....

I am quite serious. I do not like to see "conservatives" leading the fight to destroy scientific inquiry. I have experiences the "conservative" attack on science for over 50 years. I do no like to see self-styled "Conservative Christian" groups (even in Kansas) ally with Harun Yahya. The "left" can attack science well enough on its own, too.

Are you sure that you are not mixing up Steno's comments with Keats'?

513 posted on 09/24/2006 8:44:13 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: JCEccles
And Darwinism is a religion.

Like Newtonism and Copernicasm and the followers of those evil "Physics" and "Astronomy" who should be following the holy precepts of Astrology and Alchemy.

514 posted on 09/24/2006 8:46:47 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Insultification is the polar opposite of Niceosity)
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To: SoldierDad
You evos have become so locked into your conjecture and supplication that you can't see anything outside of the world you've placed yourself in.

Just forget what I wrote earlier. Thanks.

515 posted on 09/24/2006 8:46:47 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: SoldierDad
You creos have become so locked into your faith and supplication that you can't see anything outside of the world you've placed yourself in.

There, fixed that for you.

516 posted on 09/24/2006 8:46:48 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: PatrickHenry
It's funny that some on this forum interpret a vote in this poll as representative of the voter's belief in the validity of either creationism or intelligent design.

Many outside this forum firmly believe that creationism was by intelligent design and that evolution is a result of the same authority. Many inside this forum believe that secondary, public schools should not teach science and some do not believe that the present public school system should even exist. Others firmly believe that relgion is not science and that the two are mutually incompatable.

So many possible motives for the vote. So many interpretations.

517 posted on 09/24/2006 8:47:24 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: JCEccles
And Darwinism is a religion.

The theory of evolution is a science. Misrepresenting the truth is not evidence.

518 posted on 09/24/2006 8:47:56 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: b_sharp

tip o' the 'at


519 posted on 09/24/2006 8:48:03 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Insultification is the polar opposite of Niceosity)
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To: Virginia-American; editor-surveyor
I *knew* my PL/1 reference would be lost.

If we can't understand references from 25 years ago, how can we understand them from 2500 years ago?

520 posted on 09/24/2006 8:51:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Insultification is the polar opposite of Niceosity)
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