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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
Free Republic ^ | 22 September 2006 | Vanity

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:33 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Free Republic is currently running a poll on this subject:

Do you think creationism or intelligent design should be taught in science classes in secondary public schools as a competing scientific theory to evolution?
You can find the poll at the bottom of your "self search" page, also titled "My Comments," where you go to look for posts you've received.

I don't know what effect -- if any -- the poll will have on the future of this website's science threads. But it's certainly worth while to know the general attitude of the people who frequent this website.

Science isn't a democracy, and the value of scientific theories isn't something that's voted upon. The outcome of this poll won't have any scientific importance. But the poll is important because this is a political website. How we decide to educate our children is a very important issue. It's also important whether the political parties decide to take a position on this. (I don't think they should, but it may be happening anyway.)

If you have an opinion on this subject, go ahead and vote.


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Comment #161 Removed by Moderator

To: PatrickHenry

Almost 60% say creationism should be taught in schools. I guess its official. Creationism has become accepted fact.


162 posted on 09/23/2006 10:02:17 AM PDT by DaGman
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To: longshadow
165.76.125.*** - Voted for Creation 990 times.
63.175.96.*** - Voted for Creation 399 times.

Wow! At least they showed stick-to-it-tiveness!!!!

........or maybe its their Pavlovian Training showing through? Did they recieve a banana chip every time they pressed the button?

163 posted on 09/23/2006 10:05:18 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: longshadow
Found it:

You saved the text, which is very good. But here's a link to the actual thread posted by Godel:
Freeper Only Poll. Do you believe in Evolution or Creation?

As you note, Godel described the cheating at post 137.

164 posted on 09/23/2006 10:10:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: muawiyah
I can see nothing in my comments that warrants name calling.

"......Next, the camps, eh?!......

You may want to check the previous comments on this and other Threads about so-called Christians making comments about Nazis.

165 posted on 09/23/2006 10:12:27 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: RightWingNilla
? LOL. But still, some creatinoid sat there and clicked the same button 900 times. I think most well adjusted people could find something else better to do with their time.

Indeed; it's a window into the obsessive fixation that some anti-evos have for the subject matter.....

166 posted on 09/23/2006 10:17:36 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: PatrickHenry
But here's a link to the actual thread posted by Godel:

Thanks!

I think there is a discussion later in the thread where at least one of the culprits who over voted is identified.

167 posted on 09/23/2006 10:22:49 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: NewLand
Well, there's a suprise! Free Republic opinion reflects mainstream conservative opinion nationwide.

No, the surprise is that the poll seems to be reasonably accurate. Web polls are often notoriously easy to cheat.

You just cannot handle being an insignificant special interest group.

31% is hardly insignificant.

You should be happy that you have a 'big tent' to operate in within the Republican Party.

Yes. I'm very happy about that.

168 posted on 09/23/2006 10:25:47 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
31% is hardly insignificant.

Don't be confused by the overall results. The "details" button reveals that the "No" vote has been fluctuating between 32% and 33% of registered freepers, where the other side is between 55% and 56%. The "No" vote is significant enough that there's been minimal gloating from the other side -- and probably a great deal of surprise.

169 posted on 09/23/2006 11:31:52 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: curiosity

I'm happy that your happy.


170 posted on 09/23/2006 11:33:19 AM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: curiosity
31% is hardly insignificant.

What makes you think the all 31% share the same views as you?

For example, someone could have voted "No" because they would like to see a religion track in schools. Thus, creation would not be taught side-by-side with the theory of evolution.

As I commented to the mods, I think the questions were too narrow and don't do a lot to reach the intended result.

171 posted on 09/23/2006 11:38:23 AM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: trumandogz

Dude, you MUST use sarcasm tags.


172 posted on 09/23/2006 12:22:58 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: PatrickHenry
31% vs. 33%. Not a huge difference, IMHO. Probably within the margin of error. Not worth quibbling over.
173 posted on 09/23/2006 12:25:08 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: NewLand
What makes you think the all 31% share the same views as you?

That's not what I think. The poll merely provides evidence that 31-33% of Freepers don't want creationism taught in science classes, and I share that particular view, even though I am sure I disagree with many people in that 31-33% on many other things.

For example, someone could have voted "No" because they would like to see a religion track in schools. Thus, creation would not be taught side-by-side with the theory of evolution.

I would have no objection to such a scheme.

I think the questions were too narrow and don't do a lot to reach the intended result.

The indended result is to guague how many people want creationism taught in science class. The poll is perfectly worded for this purpose.

174 posted on 09/23/2006 12:38:50 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: csense

What does one's soul have to do with it?

Accepting reality is not a sin.


175 posted on 09/23/2006 12:49:32 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: tgambill
The truth is, you will never convince the Evolutionist of this.....the sad thing is that when they do realize it, it will be too late to change the mind.

What do you mean by "too late"?

Do you think accepting evolution damns a person?

176 posted on 09/23/2006 12:52:05 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: PatrickHenry
The "No" vote is significant enough that there's been minimal gloating from the other side -- and probably a great deal of surprise.

I believe that you are overestimating the rationality of the more vocal creationist FReepers.
177 posted on 09/23/2006 12:53:04 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: curiosity
31% vs. 33%. Not a huge difference, IMHO. Probably within the margin of error. Not worth quibbling over.

True, if that's the only difference between the freeper voters and the others. But when you look at those voting "Yes" (those who want creationism in science class) you see something very interesting. Among registered freepers, that vote is now 56%, and almost 11% are undecided or pass.

But among non-registered voters, the "Yes" vote is much higher. It's now 63.9%, and non-registered voters who are undecided or pass are only 6.3%. Big difference. Isn't it surprising that so few of them are in the undecided or pass groups? Something peculiar is going on here.

Registered freepers can only vote once (per screen name, of course). That's the most reliable vote. I have no idea what's going on with the others, but I'm starting to wonder.

178 posted on 09/23/2006 1:05:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: curiosity
The indended result is to guague how many people want creationism taught in science class.

As I said, a very narrow topic for a large, conservative, political website like FR.

179 posted on 09/23/2006 1:14:02 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: PatrickHenry
I have no idea what's going on with the others, but I'm starting to wonder.

"Stand by listeners..... the votes from Chicago are just beginning to be tallied, and a curious trend is emerging..."

180 posted on 09/23/2006 1:17:36 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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