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1 posted on 05/08/2006 1:17:08 PM PDT by mlc9852
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Just like the moths in europe that were in my old textbooks. The moths got darker as the pollution/soot got on the trees and made the trees darker. And now that the pollution problems (from the 50's and 60's), the trees are lighter and the moths are getting lighter.

Actually the moths themselves have always been the same color. Its just the NUMBER of moths of "each" color that had changed. Just like these birds.


2 posted on 05/08/2006 1:22:38 PM PDT by geopyg ("I would rather have a clean gov't than one where -quote- 1st Amend. rights are respected." J.McCain)
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So now they're devolving into a lower lifeform?

We are DEVO. D-E-V-O.

(But seriously, this just shows variation about the genetic mean, which is all that's ever been observed.)

4 posted on 05/08/2006 1:23:53 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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The only answer is for human beings to exterminate themselves so that large-beaked finches may survive and flourish.


5 posted on 05/08/2006 1:27:12 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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Ahh, micro-evolution at it's best.


6 posted on 05/08/2006 1:27:23 PM PDT by raynearhood ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them."- Ronald Reagan)
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people have been breeding animals for all of known history, this is news?


8 posted on 05/08/2006 1:27:53 PM PDT by kinoxi
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Le plus ca change . . .


10 posted on 05/08/2006 1:28:54 PM PDT by wideawake
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As opposed to writing longhand?


11 posted on 05/08/2006 1:28:56 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Viva la Migra!)
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Human interaction with animals could be causing evolution to go into reverse...

Sigh.

12 posted on 05/08/2006 1:29:54 PM PDT by M203M4
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I really don't have anything to add, except the source of this is from an aljazeera.net server? I thought that area of the globe stopped evolving arround 800 years ago.
13 posted on 05/08/2006 1:30:16 PM PDT by GreenAccord (David Blaine tries to hold breath in water for 9 minutes, 2 secs more than Ted Kennedy's 1969 record)
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Bush's fault.


16 posted on 05/08/2006 1:33:30 PM PDT by Elpasser
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Ping.


23 posted on 05/08/2006 1:39:39 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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This isn't evolution "going in reverse", they're simply adapting to changes in their environment. In this case, this is causing convergent instead of divergent evolution.
25 posted on 05/08/2006 1:41:33 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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Here's the Scientists' site explaining, minus the al Jazeera hype/interpretation:

http://www.biology.mcgill.ca/faculty/hendry/finch.html


28 posted on 05/08/2006 1:46:17 PM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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Do the mosquitoes in the subways of London now suck less too?
37 posted on 05/08/2006 1:55:25 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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Wow! Evolution has reverse! And we thought it only had one speed.


42 posted on 05/08/2006 2:02:54 PM PDT by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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Am I the only one who finds this a little suspect? Why would their beak sizes reverse so quickly? First of all, these birds have a much longer lifespan than the moths, so you wouldn't expect them to revert as quickly as the moths do.

Secondly, I wouldn't expect something as trivial as beak shape to so greatly impact the outlook of a species. With moths, you have a very clear selective advantage in camoflauge.

With beaks, you have a specialization, but change should occur slowly. Further, unless humans are destroying large swaths of habitat, the long-beaked birds should still have a survival advantage for their selected niche because they are best suited towards that food source (even if the other birds are best suited towards human habitation).


44 posted on 05/08/2006 2:06:46 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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I see, the birds are ADAPTING to their surroundings. But it sure sounds like they are still finches to me.


47 posted on 05/08/2006 2:10:12 PM PDT by vpintheak (What's worse, a liberal, or a know it all posing as a Conservative?)
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But but, natural selection evolution is "directionless"! There is no up or down. Or left or right. It is "whatever".

It is patently unscientific to say that something "devolved". It has no meaning.

83 posted on 05/09/2006 5:12:30 AM PDT by bvw
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Strangely enough, Darwin did not create finches. I know, it's hard to believe since after all, he is a God!


89 posted on 05/09/2006 5:57:57 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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94 posted on 05/09/2006 6:44:07 AM PDT by JZelle
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