Bush will win on Immigration to save the Republican Party.

[Pukin Dog]

Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.

Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.

The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You can’t stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.

FReepers can’t will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we can’t put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.

Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.

So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.

So what?

Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.

It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.

Bush won’t let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You won’t win, you can’t win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.

We lost this one.

Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.

[Pukin Dog]

I know at least a half dozen people who have told me that if Bush does not start deporting illegal immigrants en masse - and lock down the border by using the military and not just some "fence" that they can easily scale or tunnel under - they will not show up to vote in November.

Sure, those nuts are out there.

But they are not strong enough in numbers to make a difference in November. Even so, they will be blunted by moderates and independents who will appreciate reform.

[Flavius Josephus]

Cooling diplomatic relations would be really nice, instead of pretending everything is hunky-dory down there, which is a lie and everybody knows it.

[Protagoras]

The count down has begun.

[Liberty Valance]

President Ronald Reagan

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“I've said on a number of occasions that I can't help but believe—you can call it mysticism if you will—that God must have placed this land here between the oceans to be found by a certain kind of people and a kind only in one thing: that whatever corner of the world they came from, they had the courage—and the desire for freedom that went with it—to uproot themselves and come to this strange land, beginning back when it was the most underdeveloped land in the world, and come here leaving family and come to a strange language and everything that went with that kind of a move.

“Many who passed through the gates at Ellis Island had little more than what they carried with them, yet they possessed a determination that with hard work and freedom, they would live a better life and their children even more so. They were captured by the American dream. And both they and their new country were the better for their efforts and their faith, because they not only came here for something but just as they came from every corner of the world, they brought something from every corner of the world to this great melting pot. And maybe in so doing, they proved how artificial are the prejudices and the hatreds that exist in the world, because we proved that we could all mix ...”

Remarks Announcing the Formation of the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Centennial Commission, May 18, 1982

“...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters.”

From a Radio Address entitled "Apples," dated November 29, 1977.

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it and see it still."

Farewell Address January 11, 1989

"You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go to live in Germany, you cannot become a German— or a Turk, or a Greek, or whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in America and become an American."

"You have to realize that we are a people that are made up of every strain, nationality, and race of the world. And the result is that when people in our country think someone is being mistreated or treated unjustly in another country, these are people who still feel that kinship to that country because that is their heritage. In America, whenever you meet someone new and become friends, one of the first things you tell each other is what your bloodline is. For example, when I'm asked, I have to say Irish, English, and Scotch—English and Scotch on my mother's side, Irish on my father's side. But all of them have that."

"Well, when you take on to yourself a wife, you do not stop loving your mother. So, Americans all feel a kind of a kinship to that country that their parents or their grandparents or even some great-grandparents came from; you don't lose that contact."

Question-and-answer session with the students and faculty at Moscow State University, May 31, 1988

[Serenissima Venezia]

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[BlueStateDepression]

Tancredo will notbe on his own. I will stand with him and so will alot of folks.

The claim that the dems will win if the people that vote for pubbies refuse to accept this inaction from them on this issue is simply not going to work this time.

If the pubs do not want the dems to win then they will do the right thing. The right thing is to enforce the law and if the law is not workable in its present form then Congress has the ability and the duty to make it be so.

You are advocating for inaction and I will not capitulate to such a ploy. Neither will lots of others.

[Flavius Josephus]

try operation wetback under Eisenhower.

[zook]

"...then fine, I am prejudiced"

I don't know if you are or not, but barring hard stats, I don't think I swallow the idea that 30% of our crime is caused by illegals.

[calex59]

That is if they can survive the ass-whippin they are going to get in the coming weeks from the Senate and White House. Minds will be changed. Tancredo will be on his own shortly.

No he won't. He will have Millions of republicans supporting him and others like him. The vote in 2006 will tell the tale. ILLEGALS will sink the republican party. I, for one, will vote constitutional party this year if they fail to pass a bill that controls the parasite that is ILLEGAL ALIENS.

[Serenissima Venezia]

First they came for the gardening jobs
and I did not speak out
because I was not a gardener.
Then they came for the construction jobs
and I did not speak out
because I was not in construction.
Then they came for the computer jobs
and I did not speak out
because I was not a computer programmer.
Then they came for my job
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

paraphrased from
Pastor Martin Niemöller

[Flavius Josephus]

bot

[Siena Dreaming]

I'm with you.

A huge increase in laws and enforcement of those laws will be required to ensure that humanitarian (including church) groups don't give aid to illegals or they will be prosecuted.

I don't agree that more bureaucracy is the answer.

[LS]

I have no problem straight-talking the Me-heee-cans, although I wouldn't demonize their government . . . yet. But we need to quit pretending Fox is our pal.

[Bikers4Bush]

You're exactly correct.

AMEND THE CONSTITUTION, NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES!!!!!

[Pukin Dog]

Sorry Dog. It's always time to do what's right.

Not true.

Choosing a time for victory is not the same as doing wrong.

You fight your battles at a time that best insures a positive outcome.

Under your logic, we would be bombing Iraq this afternoon. Why aren't we?

Because the time isn't right.

Get it?

[BlueStateDepression]

Are we willing to go along with that?

I am. A proper ID will not infringe upon my rights in any way shape or form.

[Rockitz]

This country won't be worth living in either way, but I intend to fight for what is right even while I'm packing for greener pastures.

[Pukin Dog]

I guess you and I will have to wait and see, wont we?

[Marine Inspector]

No one need to be rounded up and deported en mass.

Put the people that hire illegals out of business. Period, end of story. That alone will stop 80% of illegal immigration. Until people are willing to have business's put out of business, nothitng will change.

Amnesty/guest worker won't work. Walls won't work. The only thing that will work is to remove the incentive to come.

Bush's amnesty/guest worker program will make matters worst.