The Bible plainly shows (and secular history backs up) the fact that the 'Jews' were CONSTANTLY being overrun by other countries and sebjected to bad things.
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history is silent) that the 'Jews' had turned away from GOD (again) and they suffered the consequences of their actions.
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history backs up) the fact that the 'Jews' were finally driven from their land around 70 AD (No wimpy CE for me!) . Was it because the majority of them did NOT accept Christ as the Messiah? The BOOK seems to indicate that.
So, do I think the Nazi's were doing the Lord's work? Well, without the Holocost, the 1948 RETURN of the JEWS to their homeland (after almost 2000 years would probably NOT happened and ALL of this turmoil there now would be just a fantasy, as the RoP would rule supreme and our gas would be cheaper (For we would not be a 'friend' of the JEWS) and Arabic would be taught to ALL the schoolkids in Detroit!
So, IMHO, I'd have to say that the Nazi's appear to have done the same kind of things that have been done historically to the 'Jews', so yes, I think that they did.
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Sorry again,
Apology accepted.
but it isn't I that says 'they are going to hell:
Did you forget this exchange: No...
Me: Are Jews who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Elsie: Yes
Did someone else type that response? no...
Are Heathens who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Satan worshippers who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Child molesters who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are murderers who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Muslims who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Hindus who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are atheists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Evolutionists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Jehovah Witnesses who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Mormons who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Creationists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Catholics who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Baptists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Methodists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Pentacostals who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are non-denominationalists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are 'good people' who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Yes, yes, yes, yes............ and yes.
According to the Bible, you can belong to any organization you want (or none), but if you have NOT believed on the One He has sent, get out your asbestos panties, 'cause you're gonna need 'em!
NIV John 6:22-60
22. The next day the crowd that had stayed on the opposite shore of the lake realized that only one boat had been there, and that Jesus had not entered it with his disciples, but that they had gone away alone.
23. Then some boats from Tiberias landed near the place where the people had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
24. Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.
25. When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"
26. Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill.
27. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
28. Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29. Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
30. So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do?
31. Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "
32. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
33. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34. "Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread."
35. Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
36. But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
38. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
39. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
41. At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven."
42. They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, `I came down from heaven'?"
43. "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered.
44. "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
45. It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
46. No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
47. I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.
48. I am the bread of life.
49. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died.
50. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die.
51. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52. Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
57. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."
59. He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
NIV Revelation 20:11-15
11. Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
14. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
15. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Just so I understand you aright: was absolutely everyone, with no exception whatsoever, who was born and lived before the birth of the Christ, Jesus ben Joseph, therefore consigned to an everlasting torment? Socrates, Plato, Cleisthenes, Solon, Aeschylus, Moses, Solomon, David, I mean everyone--all roasting away now, are they?
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history is silent) that the 'Jews' had turned away from GOD (again) and they suffered the consequences of their actions.
That means they brought their suffering on themselves by turning away from God. Agreed?
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history backs up) the fact that the 'Jews' were finally driven from their land around 70 AD (No wimpy CE for me!) . Was it because the majority of them did NOT accept Christ as the Messiah? The BOOK seems to indicate that.
That also means they brought it on themselves.
So, IMHO, I'd have to say that the Nazi's appear to have done the same kind of things that have been done historically to the 'Jews', so yes, I think that they did.
That means that Jews brought their suffering on themselves at the hands of the Nazis, as they did in the biblical examples you gave, right?
good post elsie....this is the truth of the word...does it hurt? yes...but you can't sugar coat the bible can you? good job