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To: Elsie
Are Heathens who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?

Just so I understand you aright: was absolutely everyone, with no exception whatsoever, who was born and lived before the birth of the Christ, Jesus ben Joseph, therefore consigned to an everlasting torment? Socrates, Plato, Cleisthenes, Solon, Aeschylus, Moses, Solomon, David, I mean everyone--all roasting away now, are they?

1,849 posted on 02/24/2006 5:53:34 AM PST by ToryHeartland
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To: ToryHeartland
Just so I understand you aright: was absolutely everyone, with no exception whatsoever, who was born and lived before the birth of the Christ, Jesus ben Joseph, therefore consigned to an everlasting torment? Socrates, Plato, Cleisthenes, Solon, Aeschylus, Moses, Solomon, David, I mean everyone--all roasting away now, are they?

According to my christian sources, savages and ancients who were not exposed to the teachings of christ, but who nonetheless, led righteous lives, are potentially exempt. No such reprieve for the orthodox jews, of course, who are well aware of the teachings of jesus, just as they are aware that accepting christ as savior violates the shema, and the Commandment to "have no other God's before me".

1,852 posted on 02/24/2006 6:11:04 AM PST by donh
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To: ToryHeartland; Elsie; donh
Just so I understand you [Elsie] aright: was absolutely everyone, with no exception whatsoever, who was born and lived before the birth of the Christ, Jesus ben Joseph, therefore consigned to an everlasting torment?

Matthew 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

1,856 posted on 02/24/2006 6:41:09 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: ToryHeartland
Socrates, Plato, Cleisthenes, Solon, Aeschylus, Moses, Solomon, David, I mean everyone--all roasting away now, are they?

Possibly not:

NIV Romans 2:11-16
 11.  For God does not show favoritism.
 12.  All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
 13.  For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
 14.  (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,
 15.  since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
 16.  This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
 
It appears to me, that if you have NOT had a chance to hear the Gospel, and make a decision about it, then the above verses would kick in.
 

NIV John 9:32-41
 32.  Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind.
 33.  If this man were not from God, he could do nothing."
 34.  To this they replied, "You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!" And they threw him out.
 35.  Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"
 36.  "Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him."
 37.  Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you."
 38.  Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him. 
 39.  Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
 40.  Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"
 41.  Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. 
 
 
 


1,864 posted on 02/24/2006 8:44:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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