Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history backs up) the fact that the 'Jews' were CONSTANTLY being overrun by other countries and sebjected to bad things.
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history is silent) that the 'Jews' had turned away from GOD (again) and they suffered the consequences of their actions.
The Bible plainly shows (and secular history backs up) the fact that the 'Jews' were finally driven from their land around 70 AD (No wimpy CE for me!) . Was it because the majority of them did NOT accept Christ as the Messiah? The BOOK seems to indicate that.
So, do I think the Nazi's were doing the Lord's work? Well, without the Holocost, the 1948 RETURN of the JEWS to their homeland (after almost 2000 years would probably NOT happened and ALL of this turmoil there now would be just a fantasy, as the RoP would rule supreme and our gas would be cheaper (For we would not be a 'friend' of the JEWS) and Arabic would be taught to ALL the schoolkids in Detroit!
So, IMHO, I'd have to say that the Nazi's appear to have done the same kind of things that have been done historically to the 'Jews', so yes, I think that they did.
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Sorry again,
Apology accepted.
but it isn't I that says 'they are going to hell:
Did you forget this exchange: No...
Me: Are Jews who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Elsie: Yes
Did someone else type that response? no...
Are Heathens who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Satan worshippers who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Child molesters who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are murderers who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Muslims who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Hindus who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are atheists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Evolutionists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Jehovah Witnesses who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Mormons who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Creationists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Catholics who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Baptists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Methodists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are Pentacostals who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are non-denominationalists who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Are 'good people' who died without accepting Christ doomed to Hell?
Yes, yes, yes, yes............ and yes.
According to the Bible, you can belong to any organization you want (or none), but if you have NOT believed on the One He has sent, get out your asbestos panties, 'cause you're gonna need 'em!
NIV John 6:22-60
22. The next day the crowd that had stayed on the opposite shore of the lake realized that only one boat had been there, and that Jesus had not entered it with his disciples, but that they had gone away alone.
23. Then some boats from Tiberias landed near the place where the people had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
24. Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.
25. When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"
26. Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill.
27. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
28. Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29. Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
30. So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do?
31. Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "
32. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
33. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34. "Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread."
35. Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
36. But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
38. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
39. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
40. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
41. At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven."
42. They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, `I came down from heaven'?"
43. "Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered.
44. "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
45. It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
46. No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
47. I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.
48. I am the bread of life.
49. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died.
50. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die.
51. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52. Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
57. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."
59. He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
NIV Revelation 20:11-15
11. Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
14. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
15. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
OOps!
You musta missed MY post that said we'd been der, and dun dat here in Indiana once for REAL!!
"HOUSE BILL NO. 246 "A bill for an act introducinga new mathematical truth and offered as a contribution to education to be used only by the State of Indiana free of cost by paying any royalties whatever on the same, provided it is accepted and adopted by the official action of the legislature of 1897. "Section 1. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: It has been found that a circular area is to the square on a line equal to the quadrant of the circumference, as the area of an equilateral rectangle is to the square on one side. The diameter employed as the linear unit according to the present rule in computing the circle's area is entirely wrong, as it represents the circles area one and one-fifths times the area of a square whose perimeter is equal to the circumference of the circle. This is because one-fifth of the diameter fils to be represented four times in the circle's circumference. For example: if we multiply the perimeter of a square by one-fourth of any line one-fifth greater than one side, we can, in like manner make the square's area to appear one fifth greater than the fact, as is done by taking the diameter for the linear unit instead of the quadrant of the circle's circumference. "Section 2. It is impossible to compute the area of a circle on the diameter as the linear unit without tresspassing upon the area outside the circle to the extent of including one-fifth more area than is contained within the circle's circumference, because the square on the diameter produces the side of a square which equals nine when the arc of ninety degrees equals eight. By taking the quadrant of the circle's circumference for the linear unit, we fulfill the requirements of both quadrature and rectification of the circle's circumference. Furthermore, it has revealed the ratio of the chord and arc of ninety degrees, which is as seven to eight, and also the ratio of the diagonal and one side of a square which is as ten to seven, disclosing the fourth important fact, that the ratio of the diameter and circumference is as five-fourths to four; and because of these facts and the further fact that the rule in prresent use fails to work both ways mathematically, it should be discarded as wholly wanting and misleading in its practical applications. "Section 3. In further proof of the value of the author's proposed contribution to education, and offered as a gift to the State of Indiana, is the fact of his solutions of the trisection of the angle, duplication of the cube and quadrature having been already accepted as contributions to science by the American Mathematical Monthly, the leading exponent of mathematical thought in this country. And be it remembered that these noted problems had been long since given up by scientific bodies as unsolvable mysteries and above man's ability to comprehend." |
Nothing about the Bible here...
I hope there is enough for us all!
Me too!
Well, either Donh or I (or both) has made an 'error' as well.
Can some of you guys (either or both sides) who are not involved look at the 'evidence' and give a verdict?
at times, this thread turned into a name-calling, shouting, mud-flinging, scripture-posting, religious-witnessing, moderator-warning, 'you're a liar, no I'm not, you're a liar', insult-hurling festival..
LOL. I think some call this entertainment.
at times, this thread turned into a name-calling, shouting, mud-flinging, scripture-posting, religious-witnessing, moderator-warning, 'you're a liar, no I'm not, you're a liar', insult-hurling festival..
LOL. I think some call this entertainment.
Just so I understand you aright: was absolutely everyone, with no exception whatsoever, who was born and lived before the birth of the Christ, Jesus ben Joseph, therefore consigned to an everlasting torment? Socrates, Plato, Cleisthenes, Solon, Aeschylus, Moses, Solomon, David, I mean everyone--all roasting away now, are they?
Indeed. You've shown the entire transaction, and still failed to show any evidence that I've lied. My characterizations of your demeanor are accurate, and easy to substantiate from your numerious biblical quotes. As you are issueing the slander, it is you who have the burden of proof. Being a loudmouth doesn't change that.
According to my christian sources, savages and ancients who were not exposed to the teachings of christ, but who nonetheless, led righteous lives, are potentially exempt. No such reprieve for the orthodox jews, of course, who are well aware of the teachings of jesus, just as they are aware that accepting christ as savior violates the shema, and the Commandment to "have no other God's before me".
If you had read the link you yourself posted, you'd notice at the end it does confirm that legislators Indiana tried to set the value of pi by law, not to 3, but to an exact square. The bill made it through committee, but thanks to the national ridicule it stimulated, died in the Senate. There was, however, no biblical inspiration behind the attempt.
I recommend 'Pi, a sourcebook' as an excellent reference for the many risible attempts to set pi to some number or rational fraction.
BTW, a group in Kansas in the 80's did campaign to set pi to the 'biblical' value of 3. Reading through the documents, I think it's possible this was dry humor, the kind Kansans were known for before they were completely taken over by Baptists. On the other hand, is the proposition more unlikely than the Westboro Baptist Church, who demonstrate at military funerals claiming deaths of servicement in Iraq are a result of our godless accptance of homosexuality?
Source?
Matthew 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
So, how about an apology for having called someone a liar, as well?
The Bible is a bit of a Rorschach test. We can tell quite a bit about a person by what they see in it.
The best satire works because it has a ring of truth to it; it goes just a little further than the truth. The Pi=3 April Fool's joke was funny because a fundamentalist-inspired legislative attempt to redefine Pi to its Biblical value in a southern state is implausible, but not very implausible. After all, requiring that pi be 3, because the Bible says it is, is only slightly worse than requiring the earth be 6000 years old, because the Bible says it is. I wish it were a joke that the Louisiana and Arkansas legislatures legislated the teaching of Young-Earth Creationism in the last quarter of the twentieth century, but it's not a joke.
And again, because it's not so far from the truth, I really can't be too harsh with people who were taken in by the Alabama pi=3 story.
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