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Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science
CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry

MORE THAN A CENTURY and a half since Charles Darwin wrote "On the Origin of Species," evolution remains a controversial concept among much of the population. The situation is quite different in the scientific community, where evolution is almost universally accepted. Still, attacks on the teaching of evolution continue.

The more recent criticism of evolution comes from proponents of intelligent design, a new label for creation "science." They claim ID is a valid scientific alternative to explaining life on Earth and demand it be taught in science classes in our schools along with evolution.

Although intelligent design is cloaked in the language of science and may appear at first glance to be a viable theory, it clearly is not. In fact, intelligent design is neither a theory nor even a testable hypothesis. It is a nonscientific philosophical conjecture that does not belong in any science curriculum in any school.

A theory in the scientific sense is quite different from how the word is often used in conversation.

Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. They are based on extensive data and their predictions are tested and verified time and again.

Biological evolution -- genetic change over time -- is both a theory and a fact, according to paleontologist Stephen Gould. Virtually all biologists consider the existence of evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated in the lab and in nature today, and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming.

However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanics of evolution, which are supported by data and are constantly being refined by researchers whose work is subject to peer review.

But there are many established facts concerning evolution, according to R.C. Lewontin, Alexander Agassiz Professor Emeritus of Zoology at Harvard University. He, as do virtually all biological scientists, agree that it is a fact that the Earth with liquid water has been around for more than 3.6 billion years and that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period.

We know for a fact that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old and that major life forms now on Earth did not exist in the past.

It is considered a fact by biologists that all living forms today come from previous living forms.

A fact is not the same as absolute certitude, which exists only in defined systems such as mathematics. Scientists consider a "fact" to be something that has been confirmed to such a degree of reliability and logic that it would be absurd to think otherwise.

Denying the facts of evolution is akin to denying that gravity exists. What is debatable, with both evolution and gravity, are the theories of the mechanics of how each operates.

Supporters of intelligent design vehemently disagree, but they do not offer alternative theories or verifiable data. Instead, intelligent design proponents attack evolution with misinformation, half-truths and outright falsehoods.

Intelligent design does not develop hypotheses nor does it test anything. As such, intelligent design is simply a conjecture that does not hold up to scrutiny.

False arguments

Unfortunately, intelligent design has considerable credibility outside the scientific community by making specious claims about evolution. Below are some of the leading charges made by intelligent design and creationist proponents in the past several years.

• Evolution has never been observed: But it has. Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population of living organisms over time.

For example, insects develop resistance to pesticides. Bacteria mutate and become resistant to antibiotics. The origin of new species by evolution (speciation) has been observed both in the laboratory and in the wild.

Some intelligent design supporters admit this is true, but falsely say that such changes are not enough to account for the diversity of all living things. Logic and observation show that these small incremental changes are enough to account for evolution.

Even without direct observation, there is a mountain of evidence that confirms the existence of evolution.

Biologists make predictions based on evolution about the fossil record, anatomy, genetic sequences and geographical distribution of species. Such predictions have been verified many times, and the number of observations supporting evolution is overwhelming and growing, especially in the field of genetics.

Biologists have not observed one species of animal or plant changing quickly into a far different one. If they did, it would be evidence against evolution.

• Evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics: It clearly does not. This law of physics states essentially that disorder increases in a closed system. Some intelligent design and creationist proponents say this means that the order required in the evolution of simple life forms to more complex ones cannot take place, at least not on a long-term basis.

What critics of evolution don't say is that the Earth's environment is not a closed system. It absorbs enormous heat energy from the sun, which is all that is required to supply fuel for the evolution of plants and animals.

Order arises from disorder in the physical world as well, in the formation of crystals and weather systems, for example. It is even more prevalent in dynamic living things.

• There are no transitional fossils: This argument is a flat-out falsehood. Transitional fossils are ones that lie between two lineages with characteristics of both a former and latter lineage. Even though transitional fossils are relatively rare, thousands of them have been found.

There are fossils showing transitions from reptile to mammal, from land animal to whale, the progression of animals leading to the modern horse, and from early apes to humans.

• Theory says that evolution proceeds by random chance: This is an example of a half-truth perpetuated by intelligent design and creation supporters.

Chance is an important element of evolution, but it is not the only thing involved.

This argument ignores other forces such as natural selection, which weeds out dysfunctional species, and is the opposite of chance.

Chance takes place in genetic mutations, which provide the raw material of evolutionary change, which is then modified and refined by natural selection. But even at the genetic level, mutations occur within the framework of the laws of physics and chemistry.

Opponents of evolution argue that chance, even enhanced by natural selection and the laws of physics, is not enough to account for the complexity of DNA, the basic building blocks of almost all life forms. (RNA is the foundation of some microbes). However, there literally were oceans of organic molecules that had hundreds of millions of years to interact to form the first self-replicating molecules that make life possible.

Irreducible complexity

The attack on evolution that intelligent design proponents use most often today is one based on "irreducible complexity." This has become the foundation of their attempts to cast doubt on evolution.

They argue that certain components of living organisms are so complex that they could not have evolved through natural processes without the direct intervention of an intelligent designer.

Michael Behe, a leading proponent of intelligent design, defined irreducibly complex as "a system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning."

In other words, irreducible complexity refers to an organism that does something (a function) in such a way that a portion of the organism that performs the function (a system) has no more parts than are absolutely necessary.

The argument made is that the entire system with all its parts, such as an enzyme used in digestion or a flagellum used to propel a bacterium (an example Behe favors in his defense of irreducible complexity), would have to come into being at one time -- a virtual impossibility.

If one of the parts were missing, Behe argues, the system would not be able to function, and thus a simpler, earlier evolving system could not exist.

It is not as easy as it may appear at first glance to define irreducible complexity because there is not a good definition of what a part is. Is it a particular type of tissue, a cell, or segment of DNA? Behe is not clear. But even if he were able to define a true IC system, his argument would fail.

There are several ways an irreducible complexity system could evolve. An early version could have more parts than necessary for a particular function. The individual parts could evolve. Most likely, an earlier version of the system could have had a different function.

This is observed in nature. For example, take the tail-like flagellum of a bacteria, which Behe says supports irreducible complexity. It is used for functions other than motion. A flagellum can be used to attach a bacteria to a cell or to detect a food source.

Thus, a precursor to a more complex flagellum could have had a useful, but different, function with fewer parts. Its function would have changed as the system evolved.

Simply put, the irreducibly complex system argument doesn't work. Most, if not all, of the irreducible complexity systems mentioned by intelligent design adherents are not truly IC. Even if they were, they clearly could have evolved. That is the consensus of almost all biological scientists.

Intelligent design is not science

The theory of evolution and common descent were once controversial in scientific circles. This is no longer the case.

Debates continue about how various aspects of evolution work. However, evolution and common descent are considered fact by the scientific community.

Scientific creationism, or intelligent design, is not science. Believers of intelligent design do not base their objections on scientific reasoning or data.

Instead, it appears that their ideas are based on religious dogma. They create straw men like irreducible complexity or lack of transitional fossils, and shoot them down. They fabricate data, quote scientists out of context and appeal to emotions.

Intelligent design disciples do not conduct scientific experiments, nor do they seek publication in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Still, they have had an impact far beyond the merits of their arguments.

One of their most persuasive arguments is an appeal to fair play, pleading to present both sides of the argument. The answer is no. They do not present a valid scientific argument.

Within the scientific community, there is virtually no acceptance of intelligent design. It has no more place in a biology class than astrology in an astronomy class or alchemy in a chemistry class.


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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Incidentally, my compliments on your spelling.

Never try to spell before AM Coffee. One forgets the "Spell" button.

1,361 posted on 02/15/2006 6:13:22 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003; OrthodoxPresbyterian
If it is so bizarre, then address it.

The libertarian argument is that the government shouldn't be in the business of dictating education. That should be a private enterprise.

I must confess that the education received at the Catholic high schools in our area FAR SURPASSES that received anyplace else in the state of Ohio.

I also must confess that parents whose children have educational gaps get their best results from private firms such as Sylvan or from private tutors.

1,362 posted on 02/15/2006 6:13:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: PatrickHenry
As usual, you can't address the issue at hand except through 100% ad hominem.

You can bold and underling until the cows come home and yet you can't explain why physics is science but evolution is not.

They both use the same methodology to arrive at conclusions.

Creationism is mythology and belongs alongside all the other "origins" myths.

1,363 posted on 02/15/2006 6:16:38 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I think if you follow this one close enough, you'll get something for the list.

Definitely. This one isn't faking it.

1,364 posted on 02/15/2006 6:18:10 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Creationists are like a palsied person touching a cactus.)
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To: PatrickHenry
I notice that the more recent articles supporting ID are drawn from scientific journals. Meanwhile, this Darwinian evolution article is from a lame-stream fish-wrap.

There's a hidden message here for those who are perceptive and open-minded enough to see.

My father is a long time agnostic with a degree in mathematics, graduate work in high level physics, and a career in computer science. While he's not convinced by the ID arguments yet, he finds them very interesting and is willing to give them a hard look.

Contrast this with the non-scientific media/social science/political elite who go bonkers at the mention that there may be problems with the ToE.

Any scientist who is not open-minded to the notion that his pet-theory may be defective is not a true scientist.
1,365 posted on 02/15/2006 6:19:00 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: xzins
If it is so bizarre, then address it.

The libertarian argument is that the government shouldn't be in the business of dictating education. That should be a private enterprise.

How schools should be run and financed is IMHO way beyond this discussion. And is meaningless about whether evolution is science and creation is some sort of "theory."

I must confess that the education received at the Catholic high schools in our area FAR SURPASSES that received anyplace else in the state of Ohio.

Last time I looked, Catholics teach TTOE. Can someone definitively say otherwise (that is a true request for info, not sarcasm)

I also must confess that parents whose children have educational gaps get their best results from private firms such as Sylvan or from private tutors.

And MacDonald's is offering a new chicken sandwich, which has as much relevance as the quality of Sylvan or private tutors (which are probably very good).

1,366 posted on 02/15/2006 6:23:09 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003
" Last time I looked, Catholics teach TTOE"

Mine did in the late 70's and 80's. My biology teacher in High School was a nun who taught evolution. In fact, she played a segment of The Cosmos to us about evolution (she did think though it was unfortunate that *such an intelligent man like Sagan was an atheist*). I don't remember any opposition to it in any of my science classes throughout school (I was in Catholic school from K-12).
1,367 posted on 02/15/2006 6:27:57 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: freedumb2003; OrthodoxPresbyterian

Private education versus forced payment for education IS the issue that OP raised that you considered bizarre. That's the "blood-sucking parasite" part.

Evolution stands ONLY because it's forced on people in government schools. That's the thesis.

In a free market of school selection, it would not stand.

And Catholics do not believe anything that detracts from the fact of God's being the Creator of "heaven and earth." (The Apostle's Creed.)

They are forced by intrusive government requirements to include things in their curriculum that I'm sure they'd handle quite differently if they were fully free.

Just one Catholic high school in our large metropolitan area had more National Merit Scholars than all of the public high schools combined.


1,368 posted on 02/15/2006 6:29:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; PatrickHenry; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; RnMomof7
That's a lie. You claimed that I sleep around, which is not true. I backed up my claim; do YOU have anything to back up your very unchristian libel that I *fornicate outside of marriage*? Oh, that's right, you just made that up.

Okay, you don't sleep around. Granted. Which was exactly my point -- If I don't know anything about your personal life, why should I believe that you know anything about my religious beliefs? (Specifically, Orthodox Presbyterianism -- fact is, you don't know. Point made.)

Not so. You claim to be Christian, yet you are lying through your teeth. I made a very reasonable observation.

Reallllllly now. Would you care to explain how defending Jesus Christ's belief in Genesis is "Un-Christian"?

Oh, right -- you just throw out the "Un-Christian" label, but you have no ammunition.

Revealing of your immaturity.

Uh-huh. Okay, so you couldn't think of a good punch line. Whatever, I'll let it go.

"Again, au contraire. I don't want to use the power of Government at all." ~~ Sure you do. You want to force government to emasculate science education to satisfy your semi-literate reading of Genesis.

You Lying, Government-Dependent, Tax-Suckling Evolutionist.

Government CAN'T "emasculate science education"... unless it passes Laws against Scientific Experiments and Publishing. After all, the Free Market is as good or better than the Government at providing ANY Education.

All that I want is for Government to abolish Publik Skooling, and turn over Education to the Free Market.

AHH, but THAT'S what you HATE!! You hate the Free Market!!

You know that your Religion of Evolutionism cannot survive without a $500-Billion-Per-Year Government Subsidy!! Privatize Education, and all those Creationist Parents would actually have educational control over their children -- instead of you Evolutionists.

Let's call a spade a spade, "CarolinaGuy".

Best, OP

1,369 posted on 02/15/2006 6:29:56 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: xzins
Thanks, xzins.

Apostle's Creed dittos. At least we agree on that! :o)

Best, OP

1,370 posted on 02/15/2006 6:36:55 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Okay, you don't sleep around. Granted. Which was exactly my point."

No, you said I did.

"If I don't know anything about your personal life, why should I believe that you know anything about my religious beliefs?"

Because you lied and were rude, both of which are not very Christian things to do.

"Reallllllly now. Would you care to explain how defending Jesus Christ's belief in Genesis is "Un-Christian"?"

When you have to lie about it it is.

"Uh-huh. Okay, so you couldn't think of a good punch line. Whatever, I'll let it go"

Sorry, I'll leave the immature sexual innuendo to you.

"Government CAN'T "emasculate science education"... unless it passes Laws against Scientific Experiments and Publishing."

You DO realize that experiments and publications are not science education, right?

"You Lying, Government-Dependent, Tax-Suckling Evolutionist."

More Un-Christian name calling.

"AHH, but THAT'S what you HATE!! You hate the Free Market!!"

Since the public schools are not going to realistically go away any time soon, your demands for evolution education to be halted is a direct attack on science education. Creationism/ID can't make in the free market of ideas, so you want affirmative action to promote it.


Now, I will ask again: Do you actually have a reasoned, scientific argument to make against evolution or are you going to keep changing the subject talking about the abolition of government schools and lying about what evolution is (it is not atheistic)?
1,371 posted on 02/15/2006 6:39:45 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You know that your Religion of Evolutionism cannot survive without a $500-Billion-Per-Year Government Subsidy!! Privatize Education, and all those Creationist Parents would actually have educational control over their children -- instead of you Evolutionists.

Where you been for the last 150 years?

The parents who cut out science education will find that their kids won't be able to afford to give them grandkids. WalMart only creates so many jobs.

Their lines will become "extinct".

1,372 posted on 02/15/2006 6:47:08 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; PatrickHenry; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; RnMomof7
"Okay, you don't sleep around. Granted. Which was exactly my point." ~~ No, you said I did.

Actually, I said "I would not presume to instruct you on your Extramarital Fornication". If you have none to report, that's fine by me.

The point being, I know about as much concerning your Personal Life, as you know about Orthodox Fundamentalist Christianity.

You DO realize that experiments and publications are not science education, right?

Publications are not Education?

Never mind, you've entered the "I'll disagree with anything you say, whether it makes sense to do so or not" phase of Debate.

It's okay. It happens.

Since the public schools are not going to realistically go away any time soon, your demands for evolution education to be halted is a direct attack on science education.

Since Rape isn't going away anytime soon... Maybe women should just lie back and enjoy it?

Bullfeathers. Evolutionist Education exists because it is Institutionally-Supported by a $500-Billion-Per-Year Government Subsidy, in the "Evolutionism-Only" Publik Skools.

Well, I will continue to support Privatized Education and Personal Financial Freedom -- whether you think it's "realistic" or not. AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE FINANCIAL FREEDOM -- because Financial Freedom in Education, means the Death of Evolutionism in America.

Best, OP

1,373 posted on 02/15/2006 6:52:07 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; PatrickHenry; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; RnMomof7
Now, I will ask again: Do you actually have a reasoned, scientific argument to make against evolution or are you going to keep changing the subject talking about the abolition of government schools and lying about what evolution is (it is not atheistic)?

You have a truly amazing ability to miss my whole point.

For what it's worth, I have many Reasoned, Theologicao arguments against Mormonism -- but I don't think that Public Tax Dollars should be used to teach that Mormonism is False.

Government Control of Education is Morally Evil. The Stalinist Publik Skool Regime of "Evolutionism-Only" -- by which the "Evolutionist-Only" beliefs of perhaps 13% of the Population are Enforced upon the Children of all the rest -- is one of the most egregious examples; but it is simply the biggest, ugliest tumor in the whole cancerous system.

The whole thing is wrong. Anyone who believes in Individual Freedom and Property should be able to see that.

If Evolutionists can't, it only shows how blind they are.

Best, OP

1,374 posted on 02/15/2006 6:59:18 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Theologicao -- or maybe even, "Theological".

Humph.

1,375 posted on 02/15/2006 7:00:52 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Well, I will continue to support Privatized Education and Personal Financial Freedom -- whether you think it's "realistic" or not. AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE FINANCIAL FREEDOM -- because Financial Freedom in Education, means the Death of Evolutionism in America.

Must be why EVOLUTION is taught only in public universities, and private places like Harvard, Princeton, Cornell etc. teach creationism.

Oh, wait, they don't.

1,376 posted on 02/15/2006 7:06:52 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Actually, I said "I would not presume to instruct you on your Extramarital Fornication". If you have none to report, that's fine by me."

By saying *your Extramarital Fornication* you are making a claim I do those things. Try and slither out of it like a Clinton if you must, but we all know what you said and what you meant.

"The point being, I know about as much concerning your Personal Life, as you know about Orthodox Fundamentalist Christianity."

Does your Orthodox Fundamentalist Christianity allow you to lie and be rude? I was raised Catholic, and we were taught to frown on those things. Maybe it's a denominational difference. (Hint to the crowd: I realize that all Christianity forbids lying and looks down on unnecessary rudeness.)

"Publications are not Education?"

No.

"Never mind, you've entered the "I'll disagree with anything you say, whether it makes sense to do so or not" phase of Debate."

Scientific publications are not used in school science classes.

"Since Rape isn't going away anytime soon... Maybe women should just lie back and enjoy it?"

You sure like wallowing in logical fallacies don't you? The issue of whether government schools should be abolished (they should) is moot because IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN any time soon. Most people will be educated in government schools for decades at least. As someone who cares about the scientific literacy of this country, it is a moral treason to lie to children and say that evolution isn't the best scientific theory about the diversity of life we have. It is also a lie to tell children that the earth is in the thousands of years old instead of the correct figure which is in the billions.

"You have a truly amazing ability to miss my whole point."

I'll take that as a *no*, you have no reasoned, scientific argument against evolution (and cosmology, and geology, and particle physics...). You have feelings and emotion.
1,377 posted on 02/15/2006 7:07:05 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; OrthodoxPresbyterian

His reasoned argument was that the courts have ruled atheism to be a religion more than once, and again in recent months.

For what it's worth, there's no real way to combine bible and evolution without mythologizing the bible.

And mythology is fantasy.


1,378 posted on 02/15/2006 7:07:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You Lying, Government-Dependent, Tax-Suckling Evolutionist.

Hey, this is fun. Can I join in?

You cretinous fundamentalist moron.

1,379 posted on 02/15/2006 7:08:12 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry; CarolinaGuitarman; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Definitely. This one isn't faking it.

O.P. is the former Uriel1975. I cut my baby teeth on him. He used to post a lot of silly YEC stuff and hang on grimly against all evidence in the manner of the rest of the old-timey crowd here. (Think Dataman and, for those who remember that far back, Stingray.)

Not sane, but not new. Just the latest edition.

1,380 posted on 02/15/2006 7:09:33 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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