Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[Coyoteman]

There are two seconds between the time of the posts. Could have been a double click.

I have had a post not go through, checked for it in another window, waited over a minute and a half and clicked again, only to get two posts dated nearly two minutes apart. Sometimes the system is slow.

[Uri’el-2012]

Because despite many Christian commentaries on Josephus, not one writer -- Christian or otherwise -- made any reference to Josephus' mentioning of Jesus before the fourth century. That's a rather glaring ommission. The 3rd century Christian scholar Origen, for example, pours over Josephus' text looking for indirect evidence of Jesus -- but fails to mention that paragraph. Ooops! Maybe he wasn't looking hard enough.

Have you reviewed this site?

http://www.carm.org/questions/extrabiblical_accounts.htm

b'shem Y'shua

[pageonetoo]

...What mechanism do you believe prevents lots of microevolution from adding up to macroevolution?

[wireman]

"No, you were referring to that post since your response was to someone who was quoting my response. And you're worse than a maniac - you're an egocentric egomaniac. You just won't admit that you agreed with the other poster that it was my quote, when in fact it was not, and now do not have the courtesy to admit to the error. Before agreeing with someone else's post, read all the relevant posts or you'll look like a fool. It will eat at your heart for the rest of your life not admitting to the error."

Brilliant! You're a freakin' mind reader too!

Believe me or not (and I really don't give a rat's ass), the terms "lunatic fringe" and "maniac" refer to your body of work on this thread, not a specific post. I would refer you to your post, #70, but I can't because it had to be removed by the administrator.

I know you won't accept that, but that's just how it is.

Have a lovely day.

[rollo tomasi]

What lack of evidence? Where did the writings that comprised the New Testament come from in the first place?

It was by empirical evidence, facts and eyewitness accounts by those who saw Jesus Christ. Did you expect Roman Emperors at the time embrace a self proclaimed Deity named Jesus Christ? Emperors used believers in this young movement as killing for fun and sport.

Tacitus, through the authority of the Roman Empire just confirmed this movement. The Annals was an "outside" source that used Roman records, which you objected to hardly existing in the first place.

It is unfortunate that many Roman records and parts of Annals where destroyed, never to be found but Tacitus did conclude:

"Christus" was the founder

Was executed under Pilate during Tiberius's time

Judea was the starting place for this movement

And in 60 AD Christians were being executed for their beliefs in Christ.

All Tiberius did was record previous Roman records (In the case of Christ 70 years after the fact) to provide an archive for future use.

[jennyp]

I might include it anyway, with a note that it's been deleted.

For the link you can always reference a later post that quoted it before it got deleted. For example there was this gem.

[darbymcgill]

Ah, the number of strawmen that creationists can create knows no limits.

A man makes a presentation against evolution and most of the posts so far are about his tax returns. As best I can tell most of the posters are probably on the infamous "conservative, pro-evolution ping list". Do you think he used his tax returns to support his position on evolution?

[Ichneumon]

Yeah...right!(for the millionth time) There is no SCIENTIFIC proof evolution is valid

Sure there is. Just because *you're* entirely ignorant of the evidence doesn't mean it isn't there.

Try learning something about biology before you make any more stupid, false comments about it. You're just embarrassing yourself, and providing lots of ammunition for the folks who consider conservatives to be scientifically illiterate ranters.

[Alter Kaker]

So basically you concede that there is no direct, contemporaneous evidence for the existence of Jesus outside of the Bible. That was my point all along.

[freedumb2003]

Hmmm, just so I get the cultural reference, would that be like Manchester United vs a Girl Guides XI?

LOL!! Yes. Even I know who MU is!

USC is the curent reigning champ of all college American Football (where, admittedly, the foot and ball rarely connect) with 34 consecutive wins spanning 3 years. There are a few optimists in Texas who, like creationists, think their team might have a chance and we like to humor them, just as we humor the creationists on this thread.

[Senator Bedfellow]

When the thrust of his argument is to accuse those with whom he disagrees of out-and-out lying, he's pretty well abandoned the moral high ground as far as personal attacks go. Hovind is a fraud and a tax cheat, and that is just about the only response he deserves.

[rollo tomasi]

Only if you count Roman Records as part of the Bible.

[Alter Kaker]

Only if you count Roman Records as part of the Bible.

Except you don't have the Roman records. You're just assuming that that's what Tacitus was quoting. All you have is the Bible.

[PatrickHenry]

I added it to THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON CREATIONISM. It's too good to leave out, even if it was deleted. The link goes to the deleted post, but I mentioned a later post that quotes it.

NEW DELETED post 70 (see 97) by Baraonda on 17 Dec 2005. The anti-Christs can hide, but can't run away from the stake.

[freedumb2003]

Only if you count Roman Records as part of the Bible

Do you have those records? Or a reference to those records? Or independent evidence those records exist?

Remember -- we are arguing PROOF here. I believe Jesus loved us and died for my sins. I believe the Bible is God's Word.

But only a cretin would present those beliefs in any fact-based argument.

[Coyoteman]

The anti-Christs can hide, but can't run away from the stake.

It is so nice to be appreciated!

[Uri’el-2012]

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place,
a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery
and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come
forward and plead on his behalf."
But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!"

Gal. 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."

Luke 22:1, "Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching. 2And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how they might put Him to death; for they were afraid of the people."

This quotation was taken from the reading in The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, p. 281 as cited in Habermas, Gary R., The Historical Jesus: Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ, (Joplin, MO: College Press Publishing Company) 1996.

Have you seen this ?

[Alter Kaker]

This quotation was taken from the reading in The Babylonian Talmud,

Talmud wasn't written down until much later. Sorry, that isn't a contemporaneous source either.

[PatrickHenry]

There's a serious distinction to be made between:

(a) contemporaneous evidence written by a witness; and

(b) commentary written about something, well after the fact, where the author is not a witness and may not have had access to material in category (a).

In category (a) we have only scripture.

[darbymcgill]

Hovind is a fraud and a tax cheat, and that is just about the only response he deserves.

Can we agree then that since some of the premises of the original TOE have been debunked and/or "revised" we can discount Darwin and "any" other statements in his TOE as fraudulent.

Would you also agree that any scientist that has..... let's say been divorced or smoked weed is a liar and a law breaker and we can discount their scientific arguments as fraudulent and lies?