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University Is Accused of Bias Against Christian Schools
New York Times ^ | November 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

Posted on 11/19/2005 11:37:00 PM PST by nickcarraway

Cody Young is an evangelical Christian who attends a religious high school in Southern California. With stellar grades, competitive test scores and an impressive list of extracurricular activities, Mr. Young has mapped a future that includes studying engineering at the University of California and a career in the aerospace industry, his lawyers have said.

But Mr. Young, his teachers and his family fear his beliefs may hurt his chance to attend the university. They say the public university system, which has 10 campuses, discriminates against students from evangelical Christian schools, especially faith-based ones like Calvary Chapel Christian School in Murrieta, where Mr. Young is a senior.

Mr. Young, five other Calvary students, the school and the Association of Christian Schools International, which represents 4,000 religious schools, sued the University of California in the summer, accusing it of "viewpoint discrimination" and unfair admission standards that violate the free speech and religious rights of evangelical Christians.

The suit, scheduled for a hearing on Dec. 12 in Federal District Court in Los Angeles, says many of Calvary's best students are at a disadvantage when they apply to the university because admissions officials have refused to certify several of the school's courses on literature, history, social studies and science that use curriculums and textbooks with a Christian viewpoint.

The lawyer for the school, Robert Tyler, said reviewing and approving the course content was an intrusion into private education that amounted to government censorship. "They are trying to secularize private Christian schools," Mr. Tyler said. "They have taken God out of public schools. Now they want to do it at Christian schools."

A lawyer for the university, Christopher M. Patti, called the suit baseless. Acknowledging the university does not accept some courses,

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To: dsc
Oh, look, the expected honest-to-goodness lie from a religious bigot.

You really think we didn't spot your reference to "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants"? So, if not academics, who are the tyrants whose blood you intend to water the tree of liberty with?

You sneak in a backdoor call for violence against people you oppose, and then deny it when confronted. What a noble exemplar you are of what at you believe in!

61 posted on 11/20/2005 5:29:27 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Ain Soph Aur
One of my TA's said, and I quote, "We should not be graduating any Creationist Geologists." Said TA then proceeded to say that anyone who got through the curriculum with Creationist beliefs should not be allowed to graduate with a degree because they obviously hadn't learned anything.

That's a pretty arrogant thing for a TA to say, considering that there are far more accomplished people such as my father (Ph.D. in Physics, Cornell) who would disagree. There are different varieties of Creationism, anyway, and many of them are perfectly compatible with modern geology. Even some young earth views (such as the claim that God created the world with apparent age) could reasonably be believed by someone with a good knowledge of geology. The only views for which this TA's comments might be valid are some of the flood-geology related young earth arguments.

62 posted on 11/20/2005 5:32:12 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Ain Soph Aur
Said TA then proceeded to say that anyone who got through the curriculum with Creationist beliefs should not be allowed to graduate with a degree because they obviously hadn't learned anything.

Should someone who believes the heart is the organ of cognition be allowed to graduate with a medical degree?

63 posted on 11/20/2005 5:38:41 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

"You really think we didn't spot your reference to "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants"?"

Of course not. However, I would expect sane people to be able to distinguish between jihad and the protection of the constitution against its domestic enemies.

Was the revolutionary war a jihad? Is religious liberty one of the goals of jihad? Or is your use of the word just another hateful and hate-filled attack on our constitutionally guaranteed free exercise of religion?

The answers are obvious. You are a traitor against the Constitution, just as much as any cortical paralytic at DU.

"So, if not academics, who are the tyrants whose blood you intend to water the tree of liberty with?"

More intellectual dishonesty with that "you intend" misrepresentation. Nothing more dignified than a transparent attempt to demonize the willingness to protect the constitution from its domestic enemies.

"You sneak in a backdoor call for violence against people you oppose"

It's a front-door assertion of the moral right and the willingness to use Second Amendment rights to protect First Amendment rights from traitors.

What I deny is your weasely, dishonest attempt to paint that as "jihad." And how typical of those who would trample our First Amendment rights to refer to the words of Jefferson as "a backdoor call for violence."


64 posted on 11/20/2005 5:45:31 AM PST by dsc
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To: dagnabbit
"Bath House - the Engine of Progress"

I need to go to church both services now to get that image out of my mind

65 posted on 11/20/2005 5:50:22 AM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Fzob

ping


66 posted on 11/20/2005 5:52:05 AM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: dsc; Admin Moderator
However, I would expect sane people to be able to distinguish between jihad and the protection of the constitution against its domestic enemies.

Sane people can. I hope you don't enumerate yourself among that number. A call for violence in response to a perceived bias in universities puts you a long, long way from sanity.

You are a traitor against the Constitution, just as much as any cortical paralytic at DU.

And you are a lunatic with violent fantasies.

"So, if not academics, who are the tyrants whose blood you intend to water the tree of liberty with?"

More intellectual dishonesty with that "you intend" misrepresentation. Nothing more dignified than a transparent attempt to demonize the willingness to protect the constitution from its domestic enemies.

Answer the question. Or is it you want other people to slaughter academics, but you'd prefer not to get involved yourself?

It's a front-door assertion of the moral right and the willingness to use Second Amendment rights to protect First Amendment rights from traitors.

And above you've said I am a traitor. That's a direct threat of violence aimed at myself. Admin Moderator, please note.

67 posted on 11/20/2005 5:54:10 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Ain Soph Aur

Next comes denying anyone w/faith the right to vote. Can yellow crosses and stars be far behind?

Maybe this TA needs to think about the personal consequences of politically correct thought as a litmus test in the sciences.

For the record, I support evidence-based science. I find this anecdote shocking. Someday, this person will be a full professor and his attitudes will influence another generation....if they are even allowed into the university by then.


68 posted on 11/20/2005 5:55:33 AM PST by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
...And you are a lunatic with violent fantasies.

And you are a lunatic with grandiose fantasies.

69 posted on 11/20/2005 6:37:05 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

"A call for violence in response to a perceived bias in universities puts you a long, long way from sanity."

What I have said puts me a lot closer to honesty than a despicable liar who would misrepresent it in that way.

"And you are a lunatic with violent fantasies."

OOOooo, good argument there, "professor."

"Answer the question."

That wasn't a question; it was a slur pretending to be a question. A very common stratagem among those who prefer discrediting an opponent to dealing with what was actually said.

"Or is it you want other people to slaughter academics, but you'd prefer not to get involved yourself?"

Ah, yes, your attempts to trample the constitutional rights of others are laudible, but a statement that you will not be allowed to do so must be denigrated as "slaughter."

The Founding Fathers gave us the Second Amendment as a last resort against tyranny. If lesser means do not avail, not just I, but millions of responsible Americans will, I hope, protect their Constitutional rights against the tyranny you advocate.

"And above you've said I am a traitor. That's a direct threat of violence aimed at myself. Admin Moderator, please note."

Call the FBI, crackpot.


70 posted on 11/20/2005 6:44:15 AM PST by dsc
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To: nickcarraway
An alternative strategy would be for Christians to never darken the door of these institutions and lavish money on Evangelical Christian colleges and the trade schools which specialize in business, and military. Ignore any school that is anti Christian. Pretend like you have never heard of them.Colleges which hire anti Christian bigots should be blackballed.
71 posted on 11/20/2005 6:44:19 AM PST by after dark
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To: pageonetoo

So are you also willing 'to use Second Amendment rights to protect First Amendment rights from traitors', traitors defined as those who insist on a scientific explanation of origins?


72 posted on 11/20/2005 6:44:32 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: dsc
Call the FBI

I'm considering it. Your views on using violence against 'traitors' are indistinguishable from Terry McVeigh's. Let's hope they stop you before you bomb a child care center, although, frankly, I doubt you have either the cojones or the skill.

73 posted on 11/20/2005 6:48:58 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

"I'm considering it."

Do it. You might profit from the reality check, though I doubt it.

"Your views on using violence against 'traitors' are indistinguishable from Terry McVeigh's."

Only to a purblind religious bigot like you.


74 posted on 11/20/2005 6:53:46 AM PST by dsc
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To: nickcarraway
If the student isn't asking for COLLEGE credit for these courses, why should the college have anything to say about the courses? He is going to have to take whatever courses they require at the college anyway, so they'll still have their chance at indoctrination.

I have a hard time believing that the courses he took at his Christian high school are any less 'academic' than your typical History or English course at some high school in East LA or South Central LA. I'm sure they allow students from those schools into the CA state university system all the time without requiring them to jump through hoops.

75 posted on 11/20/2005 6:53:56 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Young Scholar
"It would be a good sign to go to a Christian (or at least more Christian-friendly) college, and in general colleges should have the right to discriminate if they want. The problem is when a college takes your taxpayer money and then discriminates against you in admissions."

Bingo. EVERYONE is paying taxes for state run universities. It really does boil down to discrimination. I would say the defendants have a great case. Isn't there a law firm (the Christian version of the ACLU) which is currently tackling such issues? I suggest these young people and their families contact them.

Here's a "theory". At the least, currently there is an ongoing marginalization of Christian based schools and the students which they produce. The argument being that the "course work" is somehow "inferior". What a load of BS. It's a way for the state to interfere with the curriculum of private institutions and possibly to frighten people away from Christian based schools. If my son/daughter goes to a Catholic/Christian school they may not be able to get into the local university, oh no!! Eventually, it would erode the enrollment numbers at private and Christian based schools. The left is scared sh**tless about the thought of private education (particularly Christian schools) and the idea of school vouchers. Enrollment in the public school system is on its way down and enrollment in private school is up. It's a numbers game. They are desperately trying everything they know to hang on to the status quo. It really is all about money, power and social indoctrination folks. The smartest people I know received Catholic educations.
76 posted on 11/20/2005 6:54:35 AM PST by khnyny
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To: Right Wing Professor
By requiring people to treat evolution as a fact ingrained in stone , liberal science professors are destroying their own credibility.

Fortunately, science progress will continue without you.

Liberal science professors should receive a Darwin award.
77 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:35 AM PST by after dark
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To: dsc
"Your views on using violence against 'traitors' are indistinguishable from Terry McVeigh's."

Only to a purblind religious bigot like you.

No. It's not bigotry to note that you advocated spilling blood to correct perceived anti-religious bias by universities. If you had not, you would have pointed out how you had been misinterpreted, rather than simply issuing denials. There is no other reasonable construction of your remarks. Using passive constructions "the willingness to use Second Amendment rights" only means you are a moral coward, too gutless to admit to what you yourself advocated.

78 posted on 11/20/2005 7:02:31 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: after dark
Fortunately, science progress will continue without you.

Where? In other coutnries? Oh wait, in most other countries there is no anti-evolution movement. No wonder a large fraction of industrial research is being outsourced to India and China.

79 posted on 11/20/2005 7:06:19 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: khnyny
The smartest people I know received Catholic educations.

Theu don't teach creationist BS in Catholic schools. As a matter of fact, Bob Jones University, the publisher of one of the texts under dispute here, has historically been a major source of anti-Catholic bigotry.

80 posted on 11/20/2005 7:11:04 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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