University Is Accused of Bias Against Christian Schools

New York Times ^ | November 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

[metmom]

"There are almost no Christian schools which can measure up academically to the better public schools."

While this could be true, try finding one of those better public schools. They're not a dime a dozen. That's why the private Christian schools are so popular. They way outshine the *average* public school.

[after dark]

"What the hell are you talking about."

The fact that public schools are turning children into crude people.

"There are almost no Christian schools which can measure up academically to the better public schools. The former barely pay their teachers a living wage and in many cases the teachers are there only until they can get a job which pays them well enough to support a family."


The teachers my kids have had in the past are worth their weight in gold. I did not know that such people existed. The parents at my children's school make unbelievable sacrifices on behalf of their kids. They drive old cars. They wear old shoes. They are salt. I know all this is lost on you.


"I also do not "support" fantasies no matter how well intended."


The only fantasy here is your belief that the good fairy government is doing a good job of educating most children.


"As to "bias" I sent my children to both public and private religious schools"

So what. This does not give you any right to punish anyone for not using the public schools.


"Most of the bias around here is entirely against the public schools and completely ideologically based on falsehoods."


You have betrayed yourself.You are just another liberal loon afraid of what would happen if all children were educated.

[VadeRetro]

Creationists-threaten-to-shoot-academics ping.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, and know when to back away without making eye contact.

[P-Marlowe]

Check your freepmail.

[Full Court]

My brother in law works at NIH, he's a scientist reseracher with several advanced degrees and he is a creationist.

[adam_az]

On the other hand, my fiancee (who is not Christian) goes to a private Christian university, where she is right now taking the mandated theological classes to get them out of the way. In these classes, she has faced hostility for not believing that Jesus is the messiah. 2 classes... in one, a prof (to his credit) told another student who told her she'd burn in hell that if she said that again, he'd kick her out of the class. On the other hand, she "lost" a formal debate in that class that even the other student who "won" admitted that she shouldn't have won. The other teacher hasn't been nearly as hospitable.

She'll be done with the classes in a few weeks and continue going there... because their chemistry profs (her major) are great and the class sizes are small compared to the local public university. It's overall a better school, but non-Christians aren't made to feel particularly welcome.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Come on, anyone interested can find excellent public schools. Even in Chicago I can give you a list of dozens of great elementary schools and at least half a dozen high schools in the City and scores of them in the surrounding suburbs.

You can believe this mythology if you wish but it is only that. One of the reasons our nation became so rich and powerful is because of the public education system. To this day the vast majority of our military comes from that system. You don't achieve the dazzling heights this nation has without a good educational system.

[justshutupandtakeit]

If you are an example of how private education works I can only emphasis that it is inferior.

You claim I "punish" those who don't use the public schools. Where does THAT insanity come from? I have no power to "punish" anyone for that reason nor would I if I had having already stated the I and my children attended BOTH types.

You verify the low salaries paid to the teachers but gloss over the truth by rationalizing about their sacrifices and claiming I wouldn't understand. I understand perfectly well that my point was entirely ACCURATE.

The problem you ideologues have in understanding this issue is that you extrapolate the problems in Inner City schools to the entire system. Those schools are inundated with OOW children without parental discipline, children who are EXCLUDED from private schools and who cannot be home schooled because their parents are too ignorant. Yet pretend that a valid comparison between systems can be made.

Your ridiculous namecalling also shows your inability to argue coherently. Education has always been a priority with me and I pursued it for myself and my sons. But I will not pretend that any but the wildly expensive private schools are competitive with the best public schools. While the Latin School, for example, may be the equivalent of the better public high schools it is an exception and one of only a handful of private institutions of such quality.

[metmom]

First of all, not everyone lives in the city and secondly, there simply isn't enough room in the better schools to accommodate all the kids whose parents would want to send them there. It's not practical or reasonable.

[after dark]

"If you are an example of how private education works I can only emphasis that it is inferior. "

I was educated in the glorious public schools.



"You claim I "punish" those who don't use the public schools.


You are a cheer leader for liberal goons everywhere.



"I and my children attended BOTH types."


No, you put your children into only the best public schools.Those are nice schools if you can move into those neighborhoods ,but most people can't move into those neighborhoods even if they try.


"I understand perfectly well that my point was entirely ACCURATE."


You will get no argument from me there. You understand YOURSELF very well.


"The problem you ideologues have in understanding this issue is that you extrapolate the problems in Inner City schools to the entire system."


Yes, we need the public schools to control poor people.


"Those schools are inundated with OOW children without parental discipline, children "


That statement alone makes me more certain than ever public schools should not be entrusted with most children.



"children who are EXCLUDED from private schools"


Not true. Their are private schools for all types of children.


"children who cannot be home schooled because their parents are too ignorant. "



What a stupid ,snobby thing to say ,but it is the attitude which has insured public schools will always be bad. It's called LOW EXPECTATIONS.


"Your ridiculous namecalling also shows your inability to argue coherently."


You must have my posts confused with your own. You haven't raised my blood pressure at all.



"But I will not pretend that any but the wildly expensive private schools are competitive with the best public schools. "


I see... You are trying to discourage the middle and lower classes from seeking anything other than a public school education. What a control freak you are! You are also lying. I know of many good affordable private schools and charter schools. Be afraid. Be very afraid.


"While the Latin School, for example, may be the equivalent of the better public high schools it is an exception and one of only a handful of private institutions of such quality."


All good liars know that they must tell the truth once in a while or no one will believe them. Not that you are a good lier.

[justshutupandtakeit]

That is correct but not really germaine to the topic.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Given your inability to argue coherently I understand your resentment against the education you had.

People who point out the truth are routinely insulted by the ideologues who refuse to address the actual comments and veer off into attacking straw men and putting words into their antagonists' mouths. You immediately started to do this and haven't stopped.

Of course, I put my children into the best schools I could. It does not take much to find out which ones they are though I can see where that would be too difficult for you.

Even when you copy my comment directly above your response you can't come up with a decent response. I did not discuss my understanding but the accuracy of my earlier comment. You prefer to argue like a six yr old.

Nor was there any discussion of "control" of poor people merely the disingeneous tendency of the ideologues to extrapolate the problems of the Inner city to the entire nation.

While there is no way to entirely avoid the OOW kids one can determine which schools have fewer and avoid them.

Private schools do not allow disruptive students to remain in them and enroll very few to begin with since they can pick and choose their students. Public schools are under legal constraints wrt both and are forced to labor under a tremendous burden not shared by private schools.

Anyone who cares to read my earlier statement will see that you clipped it to make it appear different from what I actually said. I did NOT say parents are too ignorant to homeschool I DID say that the OOW children cannot be homeschooled because THEY do not have parents that can properly homeschool them because of their ignorance. This may not be politically correct but when there is a mom with children from numerous absent fathers and who is on the public dole SHE is neither a proper role model NOR qualified to teach anything except irresponsibility.

I expressed no concern for your blood pressure you are fantasizing again. Commenting on your incoherent and off the mark arguments says nothing about your medical condition.

Only the truth should affect parents decisions about schooling I am certainly neither encouraging or discouraging. I do note the extreme defensiveness of your arguments so extreme that you really can't address the substance of my comments without veering off into irrelevency or insult. I spoke of "the best" which you sophistically then responded to about "good" why don't you now tell me that there are many superior private schools rather than speak of only "good" ones. You know what I say is true: there are FEW private schools which are comparable to the best public schools. And those are VERY expensive.

Of course, I am not a good liar I am not a liar at all. Show me ONE lie I have told.

[after dark]

I did not read your long winded post because you are wasting my time.


You are trying to bully people into using schools they do not like.

I will now ignore you justshutupandtakeit.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Clearly you cannot handle anyone not buying into your bilge and from your comments you have either not read what I said or don't understand what you read.

Like a liberal, once confronted with the truth you don't want to talk about it.

You are a LIAR as well.

[grey_whiskers]

All good liars know that they must tell the truth once in a while or no one will believe them. Not that you are a good lier.

I really, really hope that this discrepancy was intended as subtle sarcasm. :-)

[after dark]

It was as sarcasm.

There is nothing good about some of these posers. What they have done to children in public schools is unconscionable. It is bad enough that they have a tight grip on so many children through the public school system. Now they feel they must have all children. They are trying to pressure parents of Christian students into using public schools by marginalizing the kids from the Christian schools.


At one point, I did think people who were passionate about Darwin's theory were annal scientists who just did not realize how close they were to the rational Christians I know .The irony is so deep. Darwin and Mendel were deeply Christian men. I don't see anything rational or scientific in these posers. They are just hiding behind Darwin.I know people who are atheists and people who believe Darwin will one day prove to be true. None of those people would criticize anyone for wanting their children educated in a Christian environment.I had no idea such evil existed outside of totalitarian countries.